David Duke

Is it good for them to be a advocate for the 2nd Amendment or are they a threat to todays society for promoting gun ownership in American households for civilians to protect themselves. I myself have been a member for years. I believe in the right to bear arms. That is a freedom that cannot be taken away from Americans as it has been that way for over 200 years. Some anti-gun advocates would want it the other way around though. What are your thoughts on owning a gun to protect yourself and Hunt game for food as thousands of hunters have used them to put food on the table for years. In Louisiana we have a law called Shoot the Burgler Law where we can shoot and kill anyone who who tries to enter our house or break in our car anywhere while you are in it if yoou feel threatened without asking questions. It has happened several times in the state and has been upheld. One case a few years back on Halloween was when a Japanese exchange student at LSU went with friends trick or treating in a Baton Rouge neighborhood. The Japanese approached a mans house and knocked on the door. When the door opened the student tried to talk in the best english he could but the man pulled out a gun aand shot him dead. He said he felt threatened because he could not understand him. No charges were filed and it caused a uproar in the asian community for a hate crime because of the shooter relentless to help when the man was dying.He was charged with manslaughter and a jury quickly dismissed the charges in 2 hours. Police said he was justified in what he did and the NRA came to his aid and commended him. What are your thoughts?

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I believe in the right to bear arms, but I also think that guns invite guns. Yeah, I know I'm fucked in the head. Guns can and will make a bad situation worse if you are not in control of your emotions.

A bit off the subject ------
I heard of a law in Florida that kinda goes like this. If a burglar breaks into your house and he/she hurts themself inside your home, they can legally press charges AND sue you. I never looked into that, but it sounds like something Florida would do.

LA is and always will be THE Sportsman's Paradise and I have the license plate to prove it.

splansing

The idea of a burglar suing you if he hurts himself in your home is not unique to Florida.

Some asshole shot a dude dead for knocking on his door on Halloween? Did he try to come into his house? Did he make some sort of threatening movement? This story is not very believable. Either it's some sort of urban legend (completely false) or there are important details about the case which you have omitted.

Strife

I believe in the right to bear arms, but I believe that it is just a bad idea to keep guns in a house with children if you are not going to take the proper measures to make sure they are secure. Too many children today get ahold of guns and either hurt themselves or others. But I think the idea of shooting a person who you "feel threatened" by is a little rediculous as that is a personal opinion on what makes a specific person feel threatened. The law (from my perspective) in Louisiana is far too general because it blanket covers all deaths by guns if the person charged with murder/manslaughter/assault/battery/etc... just says that he fealt threatened. For instance, if I was a paranoid person (and they do exist) and somebody came too close to me while inside my house, I could shoot them and claim I fealt threatened by him. If, however, the law states that you should clearly have to be able to see some sort of weapon, than it is a justified law. Back on topic, I just think that owning guns is a bad idea, I just don't like the idea of a child playing around, finding a loaded gun that is unsecured (not only not locked up but loaded to begin with) and possibly hurting/killing him/herself or others. I think that they (the gun vendors) need to (if one is not already in place) create some sort of test for those wishing to own a gun that tests their intelligence, emotional and mental stability before they can actually get a gun.

splansing

Actually, allowing people to own guns might function as a social darwinist kind of force. In the example mentioned above, a child finds a gun and kills himself. Now, I'm not in favor of killing children. But if the parents are stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon laying around the house for their kids to find, perhaps these kids are not exactly "the fittest." Perhaps allowing people that stupid to kill their kids off in such a way would overall have the effect of reducing the number of stupid people in the world...

Yes, I know, it's evil.

Honestly, though, if you want to own a gun then you keep it safe. It's not even that hard. First things first, just hide the gun and the ammo in separate places. And you have to educate your kids, teach them how to use the thing, how to make sure it isn't loaded, etc. Many states have laws requiring that guns are either in a safe of some kind, or have that locking trigger guard that makes them unusable if you don't have the key. The necessary precautions really are quite simple. And if you want to own a gun but you don't think you can manage to do it safely, perhaps you aren't smart enough to own a gun, and should just forget the whole idea.

This is a great example of the kind of thinking that I think is really stifling our freedoms. Saying that people shouldn't own guns because some people are so stupid they let their guns fall into the hands of their kids is saying that because one guy is stupid, the rest of us don't get to do the things that reasonable people can do very easily. It's making laws for the lowest common denominator. When in doubt, restrict our access to something. And when some kid finds a way to kill himself with a telephone, people will be up here telling us that we shouldn't have telephones.

Cars kill more people in the U.S. How about we just make cars illegal?

The number one cause of death in the United States is being alive. I'm calling my Congressman to see if I can get him to go for an alive ban.

I really do not want laws made for me that are designed to keep some idiot from doing something in a way that I would never even consider doing it.

Q Somebody crashes their car and their daughter is tragically killed.
A Lower the speed limit, even though she drove across the road into an oncoming dump truck while reaching for something on the floor.
--This is the kind of knee-jerk "well we have to do something! reaction that I despise. The crash had nothing to do with the speed limit, and lowering the speed limit will not prevent somebody else from-- let's face it --being stupid enough to root around on the floor while driving into oncoming traffic. But these busybody buttinskis have to stick their fat noses into EVERYTHING, and turn to the folks who are trying to calm them down with comments like, "Oh, well I suppose you would just have us do nothing! I suppose you aren't affected by this tragedy!" As if one has anything to do with the other.

I hate The Man.

Invayne

Is this the law you're talking about? (first passed in Florida)

Gov. Bush Signs Florida's New
"Castle Doctrine" Self-Defense Law


Fairfax, VA---Today, in a ceremony at the state capitol, Gov. Jeb Bush signed Florida's "Castle Doctrine" (SB-436) into law. Sponsored by Senator Durell Peaden and Representative Dennis Baxley, the bill unanimously passed the Senate and overwhelmingly passed in the House, 94-20.

Prior to signing the National Rifle Association (NRA) supported bill, Gov. Jeb Bush stated, "It`s a good, commonsense, anti-crime issue."

The "Castle Doctrine" simply says that if a criminal breaks into your home, your occupied vehicle or your place of business, you may presume he is there to do bodily harm and you may use any force against him.

It also removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be.

Furthermore, this law provides protection from criminal prosecution and civil litigation for those who defend themselves from criminal attack.

Past National Rifle Association (NRA) president and current Executive Director of Unified Sportsmen of Florida, Marion P. Hammer, stated, "Existing law is on the side of the criminal. The new law is on the side of the law-abiding victim."

She continued, "To suggest that you can`t defend yourself against a rapist who`s trying to drag you into an alley or against a carjacker who`s trying to drag you out of your car is nonsense. The ability to protect yourself, your children, or your spouse is important, no matter where you are."

"I want to thank Governor Bush and the bill sponsors, Sen. Peaden and Rep. Baxley, for supporting this vital measure. This law is about affirming that your home is your castle and, in Florida, you have a right to be absolutely safe inside its walls," Hammer concluded.



To me, it's a damn good law---why should self defense be illegal? I know, there will be people crying self defense when it really wasn't, and I don't know how they're going to get around that, but for the people who really need to defend themselves, it's a lifesaver.

Invayne

That's because the parents are so busy trying to hide the fact that they even exist and the kid is curious. If they would take it out and show the kid how it works and what it can do if you play around with it, and yes, even let him shoot it if he can handle it, that would all change. My family always had guns in the house, and I never touched it because they took the time to teach me about them.

Now I have plenty in my own house. :twisted:

Strife

sp... the problem is that although there are laws that state you must secure your firearms, many people do not.... and i'm not saying we should end everyone elses' fun just because there are a few bad eggs out there. What I'm saying is that I do not like the idea of possibly just knocking on a door in a neighborhood where the only language people know is spanish, or german, or whatever and getting shot in the gut for not being able to speak the language, and than not even get a lawsuit against the person who shot me. Granted, 48 of the 50 states have laws that allow concealed weapons, but many people do not take the time to properly secure them. And yes... I did grow up in a house with guns.

And your social darwinism theory is flawed because no kid that young would have the maturity to understand the consequences of pulling the trigger, it doesn't matter if they are a genius or not. Also, teaching them how to use the gun would be morally repugnant because you are teaching them how to use something that is designed to kill. So... if they ever had anger issues, were depressed, etc... they could easily hurt/kill themselves and others. And because many children do have emotional problems because they are learning how to deal with them... it would undoubtfully increase the amount of shootings.

I understand teaching them what a gun CAN do, but teaching them HOW to do it is just asking to be bit in the ass.

David Duke

My father started introducing me to shooting guns and hunting when I was 5. He used to take me riding around the swamps in our old Ford Bronco so I could get target practice shooting snakes and turtles off logs. As I got older I appreciated what guns could do as from my experience killing deer, squirrels,rabits, ducks, dove,woodcock,snipe and quail in the Louisiana Sportsman Paradise as we are known for. Parents Young and Old of all young kids and adolecents should take along with their kids and make it mandatory to take a Gun Safety Awareness and Hunter Education Class. There is no reason why they shouldn't do this. It teaches gun safety for kids in conditions without dads who do not know how to hunt or Single mothers who do not own guns. Its the right thing to do. Introducing Americas youth to Hunting and Fishing is far better than having kids running around doing drugs and getting into trouble with their peers. You can get a high on nature instead of drugs and gang lifestyles. Wake up folks!!! As Ted Nugent says" You can't grill it till you kill it".

ilikeGW

We have that law here too!! YAY NRA!