pizdecpindosam

In order to discuss what happened on the 9-11, first we have to come back to Moscow, Russia
of 1999, we need it in order to understand the following events of 9-11.
So what happened in 1999 in Moscow? 2 buildings were exploded at night with live people.
After a while, some people would try to perform the same explosion but in Ryazan, Russia. They were cought. It came
out that the cought people were the agents of fsb (former kgb). The criminal case was closed and all the evidences dissapeared...and the events in
Ryazan were called: The manoeuvres. Those who tried to start the investigations (including the delegates) were killed and the other were placed to russina jail, people like: Trepashkin, A. Litvinenko.
The events in Moscow allowed the russian president to arrange the war in Chechnya.
The chronology of those events is described in details in the book of A. Litvinenko: "FSB exploses Russia",
"The criminal organization of Lubyanka". The translation of the names of the books might be a little
different due to the language difference. (Alexander Litvinenko is the former employee of fsb and currently lives in the UK since his escape from russia, where he was placed to the jail several times)
That war made Putin the president of Russia.
This is 1999.

2001:
This is what we see:
at around 8:45 the boeings attack WTC in NYC.
The third one ran into Pentagon. the fourth is droped.
Soon the war for "freedom and independance" starts in Auganistan. Then in Iraq...
The people of Iraq are "getting free" ..how many years already? Looks like they will be free when american
will kill them...
Just the algorithm of how to take oil, strategical points for making the influance on the region and help
the jews to fight against the arabs. Where arabs or muslims are the therorists..the whole countries of the
terrorists including kids and old women...and this is the strarting point for the war for freedom..
Bombing these people, kids, women, bombing them for freedom, to make them free...this is how it goes.
Just like fucking for virginity...

But let's have a look at some facts in respect of 9-11, officially mentioned:
Fact #1: a year before the events of 2001 in Pentagon the fire system was replaced with the modern one...and it was
replaced not in all the building but...in the western block - the block that took the hit.
The work started in 2000, less than a year since the explosions in Moscow in 1999

Fact #2: A year before 2001, in the same block of Pentagon the windows were replaced to impenetrable and
fireproof ones. In the future, these windows would save lots of lives of Pentagon's employees...
Let's just count some facts, memorizing them and taking them into our account...

Fact #3: on the 9-11 in the western block of Pentagon there were much less employees than usually...
Most of them were moved into the other areas of Pentagon to work. The official reason for that: due to the
reconstructions...

Fact #4: The air-plane on the moment of ram attack had speed of 850km/h. The hit was on the level of the first flow...
Still memorizing these facts...

Fact #5: In the "official bagage" of the arabs who would lately be accused in performing this crime, FBI and CIA lately
would find the notes on how to drive the plain...

Fact #6: If you look at the map and the route of the plane who crashed into the Pentagon, you will see that for some unknown reason, the
pilot performed the long curve..a kind of turn on the sector of attack. And his curve is almost the complete
circle.

Fact #7: The hijackers got 4 or 5 planes...

Fact #8: The attack of the WTC started at 8.45 and the working day starts at 9 + flat time due to the traffic jam

Fact #9: All the facts show that the terrorists tried to reduce the number of killed people

And now the time to think about the facts were described here:
1. 1999. The explosions in Moscow. CIA finds out who is in charge of this..they find out that these
explosions were organised by FSB (former KGB).
And by the beginning of 2000 in the most secret report since killing JFK they suggest to take this method
for the "arming". (For those who does not know the details of killing JFK I would suggest to read the
official Waren's report. It will allow you to understand that Lee Harvi Oswald did not kill JFK.) Finally,
the new top secret report is proved and CIA starts the arrangments replacing the fire system...

2. Then, approximately at the same time in the western block the external windows are replaced with
the new ones - the fireproof windows...
Here the phrase of the one of the most famous russian spy from GRU (Victor Souvoroff/ Vladimir Rezoun) comes
on my mind: one time - is the coincidence, two times makes you think about it, but three times...
Let me remind you that these phrase belongs to the analyst, the officer of soviet GRU.

3. But comming back to out coincidences. What do we see: such the luck! once again! and again!
So, the new luck is: the most stuff of Pentagon from the western sector was moved away...they were moved out
from the area which was attacked by the plane...
Officially, they were moved due to the reconstructions...
Coincidence?
But think of it: the reconstruction was perform from the external part of the building. How do you think, if
the group of people can hijack 4-5 planes ( AT THE SAME TIME!) and ram attack the different targets..they
must possess the terrific intelligence...super intelligence...
The goals must be selected, the research of the possible targets-planes must be performed, the research of
the air-ports must be performed, the research of the security of the air-port must be performed. The plan-B
must be performed for each out of 5 planes initially taken into consideration. The plan C must be performed
too.
The research of the targets: the Pentagon, WTC, and following the legend of CIA - the White House and
the Capitol. The research of all these targets must be performed too.
And do you think that after all of this, these "terrorists" did not take into their consideration that on
the external, visible part of one of the main targets some group of the constructors and the builders
perform the reconstruction...?
Maybe the "terrorists" never saw Pentagon before the date of 9-11? Maybe Pentagon came on their mind when
they were in the plane discussing where to go and what to do?
Can you imagine yourself such the scenario:
the bunch of dumb arabs hijack 4-5 planes without any research, without any efforts with only initial skills of how to drive the plane..and "furtunately" they
perform this action all together at around the same time...and then flying in the sky, they have such the conversation:
- Hey, Mahmed, why dont we ram attack the Pentagon?
- Oh, yes, really, why not! I was thinking this morning where to ram the attack and found nothing! You see that builder near the Pentagon?
- Yes
- I think I'm gonna attack his stinky american ass.

Do you really think this scenario could happen?

4. I had the number of conversations with the professional pilots: both the military and civil ones.
I even learnt how to drive the jet-plane...
And all the pilots said: To drive the plane, the boeings, on the speed of 850km/h on the level of the first
floor and attack the exact target (such the the first floor of the Pentagon) ...it must be the super pilot, the super professional. And not the amateur who
studed the pilot courses during 3 months. The amateurs who before the attack took their notes on how to
drive the plane (and especially forgot them in a car)...probably this amateur was affraid of loosing this experience on the 9-11 if he re-read his notes, how do you think? You think it's possible?
And this is the official version!
Do you memorize another official version, which is the twin of this one? Yes, this is the case of JFK.
By the way in both cases we all know the criminal in 5 mins...(Osvald was announced in around 2 mins after the JFK was shot and the Al-Quaeda was announced in some days)
In both cases we deal with the amateurs: Osvald and arabs-the amateurs...
In both cases the criminal-amateurs lived in the region of the axis of evil: USSR or Arabian/muslim countries...
But comming back to the Pentagon. Did you pay your attention to the 1st floor of Pentagon? Why it was 1st?
why not the 3rd or the second one?
It's obvious that attacking the 3rd floor is much more simple than attacking the 1st one!
So why the 1st?
The point is: the amateur will never ever will be able to ram attack the 1st floor on boeing.
But let''s ask once again...why the 1st floor?
Is there a difference?
Yes, there is! And the difference is enormous!
The first floow of Pentagon contains the bearing beams! In the other words attacking the second flow or the 3rd
one would be almost useless...there would not be much effect! No hollywood!
And in order to arrange hollywood, the 1st floor was choosen.
Why do they need the hollywood? Because in the case of slight damage, people might suspect something...
One more question: why Pentagon? Because in the USA, this building is the most unique! And because attacking the military and goverment target the CIA protects themselves from the hypothesis that the action is arranged by them the way it was done in russia by fsb.
Couple more details about the Pentagon: It was constructed to undergo serious influence! It has absolutly special architecture! And according to
the words of the officer from Pentagon: if 9-11 would repeat again and if he has a choice to choose the
building where to be in the moment of attack, he would choose the Pentagon as the most safe building in the USA. (this fact and well as the bunch of the others were showed on discuvery channel and they are official)
So...
The "terrorists" got the documentation of the Pentagon arcitecture, they found the weak place(and in order to do it they had the consultation with the great architecture) and they...attacked the
most unique and safe building in the USA! They used their weapon without any real gain. Instead of attacking the strategi target as the nuclare plant of something they attacked the most safe building in the USA!
Oh la la...such the stupid terrorists some of you might think..
No...not that stupid...
But let's also talk about the other targets, announced by the CIA: The white house and the Capitol.
What is the White House? In two words this is the "hut of uncle Tom". I'm serious. It represents no strategic
value! Absolutely no!
What would they achieve by destroying it? Nothing!
Some of you might say: they could kill Bush! This is the mistake of your associations between the white house and the president! White house is not
George Bush! White House is just the small house! The hut of uncle Tom!
But what about Bush? The daily route of Bush is probably number the secret number one! Consiquently there is no guaranty
that Bush is in the White House (or do you want to say their intelligence knew where Bush is? They knew the secret number one but did not know that the Pentagon is under the reconstruction?). And of course he is not waiting for the plane to attack him.
Another aspect is enclosed in the following: killing Bush would lead to the ellections of the new president and it
might be the democrat...someone who does not want the war...someone who is not in the favorit list of the cia (you do remember that the democrat JFK and his brother were killed by the CIA & FBI)
It definitly will lead to kicking off Condi - this sexually unsattisfied black old woman who finds joy in
killing thousands of people(what she reicently proved in Lebanon) and who is checking her bank account each hour.
No, this is not acceptable for the cia! That's why White House is the myth of the CIA.
As well as the capitol. The White house and the capitol never were the targets!

But talking about the Pentagon, do you think, that the "therorrists" who performed such the
brilliant reconnaissance, got the plan of the Pentagon, talked to the number of the perfect architects, did not
find out that the Pentagon (better to say the western part of the building) is under the reconstruction for more than a
year..
And the phrase of Souvoroff comes up on our mind once again...
The coincidence?

5. And what about the other phrase of the CIA: before the attack, the terrorists had sex with the hookers..
In the other words, the terrorist, religious fanatic, who is going to die for his faith and who beleives in what koran
says (and the hookers are not allowed in any religion) and consiquently performs Koran's precept decides to fuck the hooker and then to die...
Nonsense!
This is rediculous. He had to choose: either holy war and following the koran in all the ways and consiquently
the death of religious fanatic or the hookers but in this case no death...more than that: hooker , money and
life!
Check out yourself: after having sex you will never want to die. You would want the money, more sex and happy life.


6. Now let's have a look at the route of the plane that attacked Pantagon:
The plane goes on its way to Pentagon. The building of Pentagon is already in the sight of the plane, but...
the plane performs the turn making almost the circle and then the plane attacks the wall which is under RECONSTRUCTION!!!
The plane missed the right targets and attacks the wall which is under the reconstruction...


7. Now let's talk abiut 4-5 hijacked planes. Such the crew of the terrorists must be to perform this action!
And not the single crew...
And how many plans B...
As it said in the interview by one of the leading russian spy analyst:
even the russian intelligence could not perform it! maybe, just maybe! maybe only the intelligence of the
ussr could do it ...
What it means? It means that if the professional intelligence can not do it, the terrorists could not do it
at all!

But what about russian intelligence? Do you think they did not find out who is in charge of this?
Of course they did. But they know that CIA knows that FSB exploaded the buildings with people in Moscow in
1999, and they know that CIA organized 9-11.
And that's why they cover each other like the criminals!
One more thing: the time of the attack of WTC is 8.45. The working day starts at 9. Some people might be late
due to the traffic jam...
So why so early? We see that all the mentioned facts tried to reduce the number of deads!
Do you really think the terrorists would try to reduce it? Never!

So who is in charge of 9-11? Who got the gain?
The answer is : the CIA and israel's mossad who helped them!

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ilikeGW

For the love of Pete!! Next you yahoos will be saying it was the little elves who make the shoes at night when the shoemaker isn't looking!!


If you know ANYTHING about a NYC work day, you would know that most people get to work MUCH earlier than that, especially in the financial district, hence the term for NYC, "The City that never sleeps!"


WHAT?!!?


I'd hazard a guess that this poster is not American. (If he is, the school he went to should be shut down.)

Invayne

I am totally amazed....and totally embarrassed that I wasted time reading that.... :roll:

davideyoung

Welcome to the board, Piz.

You want to know who is responsible - the men who planned it (Bin Ladin, etc) and the men who carried it out (the hijackers). That is all. No more. No less. It is just a horrible fact of life that we just did not forsee any such thing coming from this group of people.

politicoaware

That's not a FACT of life at all and I'm surprised that you would try and claim that it is. It has been proven by information which was declassified by the Bush administration, itself, that they DID have some awareness of these threats long before they happened and could have foreseen it. Given the refutation of your one "FACT-of-life", by the government's FACTS, I would say it is only an ignorant assumption to say that it was "no more, no less"(skip to the bottom list of evidence and their sources in this quote if you don't feel like reading about things within the u.s. government that lead up to a callous disregard of the attacks beforehand):


I would like to add, however, the way piz describes it DOES sound a bit fanatical. I personally believe the Bush administration welcomed the chance to corral the gullible herds of American people into believing that the terrorist-threat could somehow be solved by ignoring Osama Bin Laden altogether for the past five years and going and raping and pillaging the Iraqi people instead. He did this as a personal vendetta against the man(saddam) who put a price on Bush, Sr.'s head. He also did this because of his own oil-holdings and the possibilities of gaining by conquering Iraq for American interests. But mainly, he did this because he is Dick Cheney's puppet.
The attack on the World Trade Center was such a welcomed excuse. I believe this because Bush, himself, had sent UN colored planes over Iraqi airspace(unannounced) a year prior, in hopes of inciting Saddam to shoot them down. Bush was extremely flustered when Saddam did NOT. He was already looking to be provoked.

Pook

Perhaps we might have done a better job in tracking down the dates and times of these forecast attacks, but seriously, I don't believe we knew exactly when they would definitely occur. If we had known when, how, and who, these terrorists would have been caught and parked safely in Guantanamo months before 9-11.
I guess when that mysterious asteroid out there finally nails us and plunges us into another Ice Age, somebody's going to say it's the government's fault, they knew it would happen.
Riiiight.
Pookie

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politicoaware

I don't think anyone actually said, "it's the government's fault". but i understand your worry. what, at least, i'm trying to say is: the u.s. government used provocation tactics in order to invite itself into a war against a nation that has proven to have nothing to do with the incident of provocation to begin with(i.e. 9/11). The provocation tactic was to dampen security measures that would have been normally taken in order to draw out the experience of terror by Americans. I don't believe Bush met with Osama Bin Laden and collaborated with him on it; just that Bush is an unthorough president and the greater part of America is o.k. with this because on the average, most Americans take the racist notion(because americans are so isolated) that ALL militant islamic groups seeking sovereignty are terrorists. America, on the average, I believe is o.k. with a shoddy presidency because they would benefit from the u.s. becoming a world-dominating force. But these are racist aims which lead to racist generalizations.
Hezbollah is Shiite and violently opposes Al Qaeda who is Sunni. Hezbollah seeks sovereignty and, so long as the u.s. does not get anymore involved, has vowed never to attack the land of the united states. The leader of Hezbollah even condemned the 9/11 attacks. So why are we so locked down in Iraq and Lebanon, two countries which have not been proven to have anything to do with 9/11? Because Bush had an agenda long before the attacks. When he prolongs the capture of osama bin laden he even parades the dead around to serve his own gold-digging cause. He is literally using the unresolved murders of 9/11 to rile the American people into a war over oil NOT a war on terror. If we were really into fighting terror, we would annihilate the KKK who has, on numerous occasions, declared the U.S. government as their "greatest enemy". The KKK have also carried out terrorism against citizens even to this day(burning a cross in someone's lawn is a way of terrorizing people and is also seen, most often, as a threat to the lives of the people living in that home). The "terrorist-attacks" were not a staged hoax, to me, but the "war-on-terror" is.

Invayne

Shhhhhh....don't tell anyone, Hollywood, but I know for a FACT that bin Laden is hanging out at the White House in the basement. Bush told him to stay there and hide until Bush's ratings go down a little more and it looks like the Democraps might win the elections. THEN he can come out of the basement and say he was captured. I don't understand why bin Laden is going along with this hoax, but he is. :shock:

splansing

Any assumption that the terrorists were some sort of super pilots is based on the assumption that they were aiming to hit exactly where they did. Personally, I would try to bring the plane in lengthwise along one of the sides of the Pentagon to cause the most damage, not just across one of the sides. I think we can safely assume that anyone who is willing to drive an airplane into a building and kill themselves in the process is not thinking about minimizing the casualties to others in the process. Since you yourself have said that it would take a super pilot to strike the Pentagon the way they did, perhaps we can assume that they didn't intend to hit it as they did. They actually did want to bring the thing in along the length of one of the sides, and actually kill more people. But they screwed up and luckily for many people only took out a part of one side.

I am also embarrassed to have read as much of this rant as I did. I trailed off somewhere around the prostitutes, I guess. It's pretty poorly put together, totally full of holes. I'm not saying it's beyond a government to allow an attack to succeed in order to further its own political goals. I'm just saying this particular rant doesn't hold water.

politicoaware

Ah yes, the typical "con"servative fanatical conclusion drawn in order to avoid adding anything intelligent, particularly, because to do so would end up hurting "inane", in vain: don't hurt yourself trying to think of something reasonable to say. I realize your husband might spank you if you do.