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09-05-2007, 12:24 PM
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A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
He's been a decent public servant, and he deserves compassion.
BY QUIN HILLYER
Wednesday, September 5, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT
I have hesitated to write this, but common decency finally compels me to speak up here: Sen. Larry Craig deserves some sympathy, and some perspective.
First, some disclaimers: Obviously, it appears as if the rumors of his history (of doing the sort of thing that he is suspected of doing) are probably true. And if he has been doing any sexual acts in a public rest room, that's bad, very bad. As it is to have cheated on his wife. And if he was actually trying to solicit such activity, as accused, it's pretty gross, too. He probably ought to resign, and at the very least he should announce that he is not going to run for re-election. (On the other hand, it is hard to see how what he actually did in the incident in question is a crime. Touching feet? Putting a hand on the bottom of a partition--but without spoken or written solicitation? In the grand scheme of things, not terribly criminal, although it seems as if he was indeed trying to start something that would lead to the illegality of severe public indecency.) None of what I am about to write is meant to excuse his apparent intent, and what is likely his history of the same.
But really, what this means is that this man needs help. Even knowing that he was under serious scrutiny for such alleged behavior, for him to do it (again) anyway shows a terrible, and bizarre, compulsion. It shows a bad psychological problem, and possibly a psychiatric one. Somebody who would risk his career for such activities is crying out for help.
All that said, let's not forget this: This was a man who, in public life, did a superb job serving his constituents for more than a quarter century. He was a good legislator, a serious one and a hardworking one, and a generally philosophically consistent one at that. He was a gentleman, too: He was a solid conservative who nevertheless tried hard, and successfully, to have good relationships across the aisle with those Democrats who were decent enough to reciprocate. He was a constructive force in the Senate--and a patriot. Aside from what appears to have been a serious private problem (OK, a public problem, in that the alleged crime here is one of public indecency--but the apparent compulsion for risky public behavior seems a personal sickness). He was apparently a man who tried mightily to do the right thing and serve his country well.
Compare the reaction to his alleged crime and the one that it appears Sen. David Vitter (allegedly) participated in. Why does prostitution (especially involving a married man) earn more of a pass than gross-but consensual sex? And the hypocrisy is far greater in Mr. Vitter's case: He based a large part of his career on moral preening. Contra the left, though, I fail to see how it is hypocritical for Mr. Craig, though, to have voted against "gay marriage" and special "gay rights." One can participate in homosexual acts and yet still think, quite consistently, that it is bad public policy to create special rights and protections for homosexuals or to put the positive imprimatur of the state on the "union" of two homosexuals.
To be clear, I think Mr. Craig should leave the Senate. He is a moral reprobate, on several levels. But somebody needs to have compassion on him, and not make him feel abandoned as a human being. Yes, of course he should have been able to control his own behavior, no matter what the "compulsion" was. But fergoshsakes, don't overlook the man's genuine decency and service to nation in the rush to condemn him. And please find him some counseling, so he can somehow try to put his life back together and find some redemption.
Mr. Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator.
"Used with permission from OpinionJournal.com, a web site from
Dow Jones & Company, Inc."
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09-05-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
My only comment here is that if solicitation is going to now be defined as JUST signals and nothing verbal, we are all going down a slippery slope.
I know that if I am in an airport restroom between flights, I am in a hurry and would be stunned if a cop in the next stall accosted me and accused me of solicitation without my ever uttering one word and based on some subtle POSSIBLE signals used by Gay people which I have NO knowledge about.
I listened to the tapes and frankly heard no admission of guilt and felt the cop was WAY overboard in his questioning. I think Craig should have demanded an attorney and having his rights read to him before going any further. But I have had time to think about it and at the time, he probably was not thinking too clearly.
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09-05-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
Personally, I simply feel that the whole incident was massively overblown. By the cop and all the way up through the media to congressmen out for the next bit of blood.
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09-05-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
I would agree that it's been "blown up", but it "tis the season".
I stll believe that Craig is a hypocrite, a liar, & a cheat. While it's true, IMO, that most of "them" are liars & cheats, he threw it in our face & expected to go on as if nothing happened.
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09-05-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
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Originally Posted by Truth Detector
My only comment here is that if solicitation is going to now be defined as JUST signals and nothing verbal, we are all going down a slippery slope.
I know that if I am in an airport restroom between flights, I am in a hurry and would be stunned if a cop in the next stall accosted me and accused me of solicitation without my ever uttering one word and based on some subtle POSSIBLE signals used by Gay people which I have NO knowledge about.
I listened to the tapes and frankly heard no admission of guilt and felt the cop was WAY overboard in his questioning. I think Craig should have demanded an attorney and having his rights read to him before going any further. But I have had time to think about it and at the time, he probably was not thinking too clearly.
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Yea, I agree, I read the transcripts of the tape and did not hear him admit guilt. If I was on a jury and had only that as evidence I would aquit.
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09-05-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
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Yea, I agree, I read the transcripts of the tape and did not hear him admit guilt. If I was on a jury and had only that as evidence I would aquit.
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But he did plead guilty. I can't get past that.
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09-05-2007, 05:33 PM
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But he did plead guilty. I can't get past that.
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Well, he did because he wanted to salvage his politcal career, and stupidly thought that, that would have been the end of that.
I have met some shitty cops, they have this God mentality. I get pissed when I watch cops sometimes. They seem to arrest the wrong people a lot.
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09-05-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
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Originally Posted by Ronster
Well, he did because he wanted to salvage his politcal career, and stupidly thought that, that would have been the end of that.
I have met some shitty cops, they have this God mentality. I get pissed when I watch cops sometimes. They seem to arrest the wrong people a lot.
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Uh huh! He is surrounded by lawyers and he admits to something he didn't do to SAVE his career. Do I have it right? .
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09-05-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
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Originally Posted by Migi e!
I would agree that it's been "blown up", but it "tis the season".
I stll believe that Craig is a hypocrite, a liar, & a cheat. While it's true, IMO, that most of "them" are liars & cheats, he threw it in our face & expected to go on as if nothing happened.
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Sounds like the facilitator in chief herself, Hillary.....
Then again, I think most scandals are a BS distraction.....
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09-05-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: A Kind Word for Sen. Craig
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Originally Posted by namvet69
Uh huh! He is surrounded by lawyers and he admits to something he didn't do to SAVE his career. Do I have it right? .
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I don't know, sounded good!!
LOL, to be honest, if he had his hand under the stall and I was in the other stall, I would have broken his fingers.
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