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Adolph Hitler vs George W. Bush: Is the comparison valid?
Adolph Hitler vs George W. Bush: Is the comparison valid?
Over the last five years of the Bush Presidency, there has been a desire to compare George W. Bush with various sordid characters throughout history. The Anti-Christ, Joseph Goebbels and Adolph Hitler appear to be the favored evildoers of both the irrational flame-throwing leftists, and also of the constitutional, originalist, and Libertarian rightists. But are these comparisons fair or valid? To examine whether there is validity one must examine: the history of Germany after World War I, the culture of Germany, and the development and life of Adolph Hitler. Any superficial comparisons made based upon anecdotal evidence, and ignoring the wealth of recorded history, can only serve to sway the masses in a way that would make Joseph Goebbels proud.
This summer, I read the rather exhaustive treatise (1529 pages) on Nazi Germany and Adolph Hitler called “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” A history of Nazi Germany by William Shirer. Mr. Shirer, a writer and reporter who lived in Germany since 1925, was uniquely qualified to report on this important historical period. All of the quotes in this piece are attributed to this great work unless otherwise stated.
“One of the most important works of history of our time.” The New York Times
After “The Great War” ended in 1918, Germany was in kaos. The treaty of Versailles delivered without negotiation by the allies was deemed “unrealizable and unbearable”(P.90) by the masses. It put heavy reparations on a country already tapped by the war and suffering economically. It was into this environment that Adolph Hitler began to formulate his plan for European domination.
1.Hitler was born into a lower middle class family of no renown, his father a civil servant.
Bush was born into a family of wealth, power, and renown, his father being President of the United States of America.
2.Hitler attempted to gain admittance into the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts and was rejected twice.
Bush graduated from Yale and was admittedly an average student.
3.Hitler served on the front lines of W.W.I and earned awards for distinction and bravery.
Bush served in the Texas National Guard during the Vietnam War and never saw battle.
4.Hitler gained power through his cunning and persuasive abilities.
Bush gained power through his families connections and wealth.
5.Hitler was a brilliant orator, with the ability to mesmerize, sway, and inflame his audiences.
Bush seems to be uniquely gifted at butchering the English language, at best he is a fair orator.
6.Hitler first attempt at politics was to seize control in the state of Bavaria in the fall of 1923 in the infamous “Beer Hall Putsch”. Hitler’s armed rebellion failed and he was sentenced to five years in jail, only to serve nine months.
Bush lost in his first political attempt at office as a congressman from the 19th district Texas in 1978 by a margin of 53-47. The man who defeated him, Kent Hance, later supported Bush with donations in his bid for Governor of Texas in 1993. Bush has never attempted to take office by force or “Putsch”.
7.Hitler wrote a book “Mein Kampf” (My Struggle) in it he details his Grand plan for the German Nation and its return to glory, his plan for the German people, and the ultimate destruction of the Jewish people. His plan was for a Tyrannical Dictatorship that would oppress many, and kill millions.
Bush never wrote a book, and has never verbalized the desire for American Domination nor the destruction of a people. On the contrary, he has called for the freedom of those living under tyrannical dictators, and has freed millions from oppressive rule.
8.Hitler built a private army of thugs numbering over 400,000 to assist him in terrorizing, and intimidating his opponents, and the German people, this prior to him taking control of Germany.
Bush has never had a private army.
9.Hitler never won a majority of votes in any election; his highest total was in the 1933 election where the National Socialists received 44% of the popular vote.
Bush won a majority in 2004 with 50.7% of the popular vote.
10.Hitler engineered his “legal” assent to absolute power in a country that was rocked by massive unemployment during the “Great Depression”, where many had lost hope.
Bush inherited a recessionary economy that was far from the hopeless situation in Germany. Bush instituted tax cuts, which have energized the economy and reduced unemployment to record low levels.
11.Hitler engineered the “Reichstag fire” (sort of like the U.S. Capital building) as an excuse to create a public enemy in the communists and thereby suspend the constitution and seize absolute control of Germany. Herman Goering admitted at a luncheon in 1942 “The only one who really knows about the Reichstag is I, because I set it on fire!”(P.269)
Bush is said by some to be behind the downing of the Twin Towers by fringe conspiracy fanatics. There are reams of evidence that it was a plot ordered by Osama Bin Laden and carried out by Muslim terrorists.
12.Hitler engineered the suspension of the German Constitution.
“(On) February 28, (1933), he prevailed on President Hindenburg to sign a decree
‘For the Protection of the people and the State’ suspending the seven sections of
the constitution which guaranteed individual and civil liberties. Described as a
‘defensive measure against communist acts of violence endangering the state,’ the
decree laid down that:
Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of
the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal,
telegraphic and telephonic communications; and warrants for house searchers, orders for
confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits
otherwise prescribed.(P.271)
What followed was confiscation of businesses, beatings, murders, and general
Mayhem.
Bush has never suspended the constitution.
13.Hitler eliminated freedom of speech.
Bush encourages freedom of speech.
14.Hitler eliminated freedom of the press.
Bush encourages freedom of the press.
15.Hitler outlawed all political parties with his decreed law on July 14, 1933:
The National Socialist German Workers’ Party constitutes the only political party in Germany. Whoever undertakes to maintain the organizational structure of another political party will be punished with penal servitude up to three years or with imprisonment of from six months to three years, if the deed is not subject to a greater penalty according to other regulations.(P.281)
Bush has maintained the constitutional structure of our party system.
16.Hitler instituted an oath of obedience for all German armed forces:
“I swear by God this oath, that I will render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, and will ready as a brave soldier to risk my life at any time for this oath.” (P.314)
Hitler used this oath as a tool to suppress any decent to moral or ethical issues within the Reich. All members of the armed forces were held to unconditional obedience to Hitler, not the constitution which he shred, nor to the state, but to his every evil whim.
Bush does not require any oath to himself, but to the constitution, and to The United States of America.
17.Hitler abolished the separate powers of the states, abolished popular assemblies, and made them subject to the central authority of the Reich…(P.279).
Bush has made no attempt to eliminate state governments.
18.Hitler eliminated all legally elected seats of the Communists in the Reichstag (similar to the U.S. Congress), March 31, 1933, Hitler’s first act after instituting the “Enabling Act”.(P.279)
Bush has maintained the constitutional structure of our party system.
19.Hitler eliminated all Labor Unions.
Bush has not attempted to eliminate any Unions.
20.Hitler eliminated and outlawed all Democratic organizations.
Bush is pro-Democracy and welcomes all Democratic institutions.
21.Hitler persecuted the minority Jews, legal citizens of Germany, declaring them as “not Germans” in early 1933. “Jews were not exterminated at once (only a relative few-a few thousand, that is-were robbed, beaten or murdered during the first months), he issued laws excluding them from public service, the universities and the professions. And on April 1st ,1933, he proclaimed a national boycott of Jewish shops.” (P.283)
Bush has persecuted no legal or illegal minority, in fact he has done his best to allow for illegals to enter this country with little or no repercussions.
22.Hitler was a Nationalist and a German Patriot, he believed in a mystical greatness of the German people and believed that their superiority entitled them to rule other inferior peoples.
Bush is a patriot who believes in the goodness of the American people and not their genetic superiority.
23.Hitler believed in conquering other countries to unite the Germanic peoples into a National Master-Race.
Bush believes in spreading democracy so that people can live free and make decisions for themselves as to how they want to live.
24.Hitler received wide support from German citizens after seizing power and instituting policies which solved unemployment, eliminated Allied treaties, and instituted a sense of Nationalistic Patriotism.
“On August 19 (1934), some 95 percent of those registered went to the polls, and 90 percent, more than thirty-eight million of them , voted approval of Hitler’s usurpation of complete power. Only four and a quarter million Germans had the courage- or the desire-to vote “No.” (P.318)
Bush has never enjoyed universal support of the American people. His approval numbers for the majority of his Presidency have been from the low 30’s to the low 40’s percent.
25.Hitler considered himself the Law, he was the final authority in all matters of German law. In a speech on July 13 (1934) in the Reichstag Hitler stated:
“If anyone reproaches me and asked why I did not resort to the regular courts of justice, then all I can say is this: In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge of the German people. Everyone must know for all future time that if he raises his hand to strike the State, then certain death is his lot.” (P.313)
Bush has never declared the Supreme Court, nor any other court, nor their decisions, as irrelevant and under his final judgement. Bush has always respected the decisions of the courts when rendered whether in his favor or not.
26.Hitler purged Germany of all perceived opposition, political enemies, and those with whom he had held grudges with as far back as the 1920’s. The purge began on June 30th, 1934 and as many as 1000 were slain. (P.310)
Bush opened his arms to his political opposition upon taking office, working with many on legislation, and praising many others who openly were critical of him.
27.Hitler instituted the so-called “Nuremberg Laws” on September 15, 1935, deprived the Jews of German citizenship, confining them to the status of “subjects.” It forbade marriage between Jews and Aryans as well as extramarital relations between them, and it prohibited Jews from employing female Aryan servants under thirty-five years of age. In the next few years some thirteen decrees supplementing the Nuremberg Laws would outlaw the Jew completely.(P.323)
Bush has supported efforts for a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage, which has been largely unsuccessful. Bush has never stripped any American citizens of their citizenship. No citizens of the United States have been “outlawed.”
28.Hitler was “nominally Catholic” (P.324). He did not respect the Catholic Church, instead he used the Catholic Church. Hitler did not acknowledge the position of the catholic church, Jesus, God, or the power of the scriptures. As with all people, organizations, and institutions, Hitler used them all for the sole purpose of attaining power. In fact, Hitler dissolved the Catholic Youth League, arrested thousands of priests, nuns, and lay leaders, and suppressed scores of Catholic publications. (P.325)
Bush is a protestant Christian. Some claim he uses the Christian right to further his goals politically. To others he is a man of God who is supported by the Christian right. Curiously, to his leftist critics he is a fundamentalist Bible-thumper who wants to set up a theocracy, to his critics on the far right he is a phony Christian. Those on the godless left always get hysterical when a (Republican) President invokes the name of God or Jesus, cites passages from the Bible, says he talks to God, or seeks Gods wisdom when making decisions. Those on the far-right criticize Bush for accepting and praising other religions and their leaders, and for not doing enough to “Christianize” the United States. Bush will also forever be criticized for being the President who allowed the Koran to be placed in the Library of Congress. So just who is George W. Bush? A theocratic dictator? A wolf in sheep’s clothing? Or a Christian man just trying to live out his faith on the most scrutinized stage in the world?
29.Hitler persecuted the true Christian Church in Germany, the “Confessional Church”, which rejected the “Nazification of the Protestant churches, rejected the Nazi racial theories and denounced the anti-Christian doctrines of Rosenberg and other Nazi leaders.”(P.326) He replaced church leaders with those sympathetic to the Nazi movement and sent many Christian leaders off to concentration camps. Hitler did not appeal to the Christian believers, he persecuted them. It is true that many of the so-called Christians caught in the middle between the Nazi puppet Christian leaders and the persecuted Confessional leaders, were to timid to voice their opposition to Hitler and thus went along with the leaders manipulation and reformation of the church.
Bush has enjoyed wide support from the Christian right. He appealed to the right by expressing his faith (whether you believe it is sincere or not) and letting Christians decide on their own whether to support him or not. Bush has never tried to institute a National Church or Religion. Bush has never set up a State Church with Bush appointed leaders. Bush has never sent any dissenting citizens of any type to any concentration camps.
Here is something I found from when Clinton was President....Hysteria occurs on the far left and the far right...
Comparison between Clinton and Hitler, Could that happen here?
"Sadly, the comparison between Clinton and Hitler seems to be growing more apt every day. I think it is worth remembering that the German people didn't follow Hitler because he was evil; they followed him because they thought he was good. Remember also that, thanks in part to Hitler's propaganda machine AND in part to people's natural pride and unwillingness to admit when they've been duped, the German people remained blissfully ignorant of Hitler's true nature until a coalition of foreign forces finally smashed their country to rubble."
Could that happen here?
1. Our highest military commander is turning out to be a self-important murdering lying hypocrite with delusions of grandeur. (So was Hitler.)
2. We have a powerful propaganda machine. (So did Hitler.)
3. We have a people who are unwilling to admit that their faith in their leader is misplaced, EVEN when the evidence is placed before them. (So did Hitler.)
4. Our people think of their country as a great shining beacon of truth. (So did Hitler's.)
5. Our people are largely ignorant of the way we are viewed by other nations. (So were Hitler's.)
6. We apparently have a military force composed of human robots who never question the morality of the orders they are given. (So did Hitler.)
7. Our military force is touted as invincible. (So was Hitler's.)
8. But it is not invincible. (Neither was Hitler's.)
9. And the countries we consider our allies can always turn against us. (Hitler's did.)
10. What, exactly, is so special about America that will magically prevent it from becoming a murdering war machine (like Hitler's) that will not be stopped until it is smashed to pieces (like Hitler's had to be)?
Oh, yes, I forgot. Clinton and all of our other presidents cannot seize absolute power because they are elected only for a limited period of time.
Guess what? SO WAS HITLER!! Hitler seized absolute power through political maneuvering after he was elected to office. I do not doubt that any of our presidents can do the same under the right conditions.
The match isn't perfect, of course: Hitler was his own man while Clinton is just a brainless puppet.
And there's no reason for any American president to seize absolute power when the people who are pulling the strings can simply parade a series of clones through the White House. All the same, the recipe above is getting pretty scary.
Top 25 Most Evil People of the Millennium
according to a New York Post Poll conducted
from 9/30/99 to 11/1/99 among NYPost.com users
Number of Votes Received: 19184
Votes
1664-Adolf Hitler
1625-Bill Clinton (write-in)
1284-Josef Stalin
919-Pol Pot
783-Dr. Josef Mengele
765-Hillary Clinton (write-in)
710-Saddam Hussein
641-Adolf Eichmann
548-Charles Manson
514-Idi Amin
441-Genghis Khan
428-Jeffrey Dahmer
386-Benito Mussolini
365-Ayatollah Khomeini
327-Ted Bundy
312-John Wayne Gacy
305-Ivan the Terrible
283-Fidel Castro
279-Jim Jones
276-Vlad the Impaler
275-Timothy McVeigh
242-Slobodan Milosevic
222-Marquis de Sade
218-Mommar Khadafy
203-Jack the Ripper
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