johnlocke

I have to agree with Ober on this one. Poverty is trying to live on an unlivable income. When talking about poverty you need to recognize that the definition of need is driven by the ontological nature of the group being analyzed. It is also important to remember that these needs are interactive (meaning affect each other) Subsistence, shelter, safety are the first (primary) needs affected by income, and whether you subscribe to Maslowe's theories or Neef's, you still arrive at the same conclusion: Poverty exists in America.

This is a picture of a conservative trying to fix the economy.

Advertising

mjollnir

No it does not! You have to leave this country to see real poverty.

NO ONE will stone ANYONE until I blow this whistle. Even, and I want to make this perfectly clear, even if they DO say Jehovah!!!

johnlocke

Yes it does and NO, you don't have to leave the US to see real poverty.

This is a picture of a conservative trying to fix the economy.

mjollnir

Oh please!!! Go to ANY ghetto or inner city project. They have cell phones, big screen TVs, Escalades....all in and outside of a shithole!!

I have been to Venezuela on several occasions. There are places there that have NO running water, NO electricity and live in man made tin huts! The people here in America are poor because they CHOOSE to be!! Urban Americans live beyond their means because their priorities are fucked up! There is NO poverty here in the USA! That is just leftist do gooder bullshit propaganda!

NO ONE will stone ANYONE until I blow this whistle. Even, and I want to make this perfectly clear, even if they DO say Jehovah!!!

Zaragrunudgeyon

There is no real poverty because of the welfare system.

DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!

"Vegetarian" - Old Indian word for -- *bad hunter*

The_Bear

who the hell says that's where there is 'poverty' that we speak of?
You realize that 40% of the people that are on welfare are single parents?
That there is about equal amounts of poverty between whites, blacks, lations, and other?
You seem to discount any possiblity of there being institutional poverty.
Look at Gary Indiana. Used to be a big industrial town. Then its industry moved away, leaving it nothing. Not consequently, the town became one of the most crime filled towns.

The ignorant ask "what is my effect on the world?"
The enlightened ask "What does the world know about itself?"

The Bear

I am The Bear
The Bear

johnlocke

Shhh... don't wake them from their deluson. There is no poverty in the United States, everyone has a cell phone and a big screen television...

This is a picture of a conservative trying to fix the economy.

johnlocke

I'll be sure to remember that next time I see a homeless encampment. "Hey guys?!? Move along now, you aren't living in poverty. Take your escalades and your cell phones and go back to your inner city projects... American Idol is on TV!"

This is a picture of a conservative trying to fix the economy.

The_Bear

or the fact that the majority of people in poverty are children.

or that fact that 40% of the people in poverty live in families with at least one parents working full time

or the fact that poverty is not just in the 'inner city', but also almost everywhere.

or the fact that poverty makes people dependant on themselves.

or the fact that Hitler built his facist regieme on the backs of the German poor

or the fact that huge amounts of people are in poverty due to disability, misfortune, or illness.

or the fact that people can be bred by the system to believe there is no real future

or the fact that we are one nation, under God, indivisible; and not just one nation for the wealthy, under God, indivisible

or the fact that an estimated 14 million Americans rely on food stamps to get food to eat, taking into account that no politician who undertook the 'food stamp challenge' could have lasted more than a week.

or the fact that direct cash handouts total less than 3% of 'welfare'; that most programs are aid tofamilies with dependant children, medicaid, etc.

or the fact that when work disapears, through 'the free market', people are often unable to get jobs in their town, thus making them flock to the 'big cities', increasing the burdens on those cities.

or the fact that poor people have less healthy lives, letting diseases spread far easier

or the fact that if kids grow up poor, more than likely they will stay poor, thus having a 'cycle of poverty'

or the fact that society ostracizes the poor who come to seek help by prying into their life and making them seem 'accountable'

or the fact that schools in poor districts are financed by property taxes

or the fact that the economy relies on the consumption and borrowing of people who cannot necessarily pay for their goods

i suppose none of these things means anything to those people who advocate that the poor should be left alone, and not dealt with, and that 'smaller government' is the way to go in domestic social policy. That if you cannot survive in the world, you should not be allowed to live.

The ignorant ask "what is my effect on the world?"
The enlightened ask "What does the world know about itself?"

The Bear

I am The Bear
The Bear

Zaragrunudgeyon

Bear,,,,,,, why does it happen?

DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!

"Vegetarian" - Old Indian word for -- *bad hunter*