Dell

There can be a society. Human being always live in a society and that society to make humanistic they always fight. History of human being is not of one day it is the beyond of your thinking and after lacks of year human being has achived that gigantic civilisation and culture they can't lose. There is no balance between slavery and freedom. But we can remove slavery for always. That is why we are talking about proletarian revolution.

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Libre

Humans seek power and power will always be abused. By definition communism requires massive centralization of power and that will simply always fail as it has in absolutely every iteration in recorded history.

Communism by definition is slavery. To think massive government will somehow be benevolent is an idea only the most childish of minds could possibly entertain. To think people will produce without being rewarded commensurately violates everything known about human behavior.

Ergo communism is only supported by those who are brainwashed or who simply have no common sense.

justoneman

Communism was attempted on a massive scale in the USSR. As a form of government it has had the shortest reign. Just some 65 years. Not exactly some huge success. It is flawed. It crushes peoples independance and creativity and instead encourages stealing and lying.

Six

History will remember a dictator disguised as a revolutionary who was responsible for the death of millions of his own people

Aristotle: Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.

conservative

Comrade

..and, as America would have it, every other war in the history of the world.

While I can kinda see what Dell is getting at, ultimatly he is wrong. Lenin, Stalin whoever were bad, their cause, as they would have put it to further the power and wealth of the country is fine, but how they went about chieving their goals was evil. Even if they did oppose the Nazis, Thats only because Hitler invaded Russia. Had he not Stalin and Hitler would have most likely become allies.

Those figure were not, and never will be good people.

Comrade

Libre

Usually people who make no sense just believe that if they keep talking until they wear everyone out that somehow equals victory.

Libre

People who support communism simply don't realize it's the fastest path to dictatorial rule. They simply ignore human nature when it comes to power, especially when it's ALL placed in the hands of a centralized government. All the economic arguments are moot because you simply can't get past that first point. Even if they could make it past that first point then the economic arguments fall apart because once again they ignore human nature believing people will somehow produce without commensurate compensation or that the tragedy of the commons is somehow not a real phenomenon.

Six

It's Lennins whole interim dictatorship of the proletariat concept that should tip most people off to what's in store for them in a Communist society. The progression to Communism from Capitalism isn't possible without years of repressive rule and then has never produced anything more than a society that's almost completly lacking of basic human rights and freedoms.

Aristotle: Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.

Dell

Without socialism people was not able to think even how can get all the people their dignity without affects another and that things was solved by October revolution. We are not talking about Lenin also we are talking about that great people who were for the revolution. Lenin was great because the only that person has got the challenge of people requirement.

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