Coolio43

As I stated earlier, lakeman and I debunked your theory that "most" of our FF were not Christians. The majority of our FF believed in God, read the bible, prayed, were clergymen, some were preachers. The list goes on.....

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Zarathustra

Oh my GAWD! They were CERTAINLY NOT clergymen!

Where do you GET this shit? Can you tell me where you heard that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or John Adams were clergymen?

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Thomas Paine

Umm, I never made such a claim that you write in your first sentence. So you've really debunked nothing. . .nonetheless, many of the better known Founders were not Christians. Jefferson, Paine, Franklin Madison, Allen, Morris, Washington, Adams. These are the big names from 18th century American history. The only two "big" names that come from this era who were undoubtedly infected with the religion bug were Patrick Henry and Charles Carroll (who wasn't a Protestant; he was a Catholic).

As for the content of your second sentece. . .all I can say is "wow." The majority were clergy? Preachers? Really? You really believe this? Please post up your research. This is news to me. . .

Thomas did not believe the resurrection [John 20:25], and, as they say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration himself. So neither will I, and the reason is equally as good for me, and for every other person, as for Thomas. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Coolio43

TP,
Valid links were posted by lakeman and I on the thread you started(Diest roots) to support that the majority of our FF were "christians". You just choose to ignore the facts.

Zarathustra

So you are choosing to ignore my qoute by Ben Franklin in which Franklin explicitly says "I soon became a devout and thorough deist"?

And you still have not backed up your claim that the majority of the Founding Fathers were clergymen.

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Coolio43

I admit Ben Franklin was a deist. We could debate that the majority of our FF were clergymen forever but I'll leave you with this to think about:

97% of the founding fathers were practicing Christians and exercised their faith in public office, at work, at home, and had it taught to their children in their schools.
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Thomas Paine

Coolio, it is I who proved that you were wrong. How silly of you to come here and state otherwise. I provided a list of key Founders just a few posts above; none of them were Xtians. Why is it such a big deal to you to believe in false history? Does having FFs who weren't Xtians somehow undermine your faith in either god or your country?

Thomas did not believe the resurrection [John 20:25], and, as they say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration himself. So neither will I, and the reason is equally as good for me, and for every other person, as for Thomas. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Coolio43

TP,
I can see right through you. You do everything in your power to try and proove that our FF were not practicing christians, when in reality 97% of them were. I provided valid links that our FF were practicing christians but you continue to deny facts.

Thomas Paine

Your link doesn't "prove" 97% of the FFs were Xtians. It simply lists a denomination to which each of these men "ostensibly" belonged. You should do a bit of research beyond your shoddy link. You see through nuthin', so knock off the nonsense, pardner. . .

I'll repeat----just a few posts above I listed a few of the "biggies" of our founding period. None were xtians. I've shown in other threads, using a ton of proof beyond your piss-poor link, that none of these men were xtians. More importantly, I've proven how the founding document they created is secular & godless in nature.

Again, I'll ask, are the facts you're having to confront here somehow undermine either your faith in god, country, or both?

Thomas did not believe the resurrection [John 20:25], and, as they say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration himself. So neither will I, and the reason is equally as good for me, and for every other person, as for Thomas. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

Zarathustra

You can beleive in God without being Christian.

Ben Franklin, though a deist, supported Christianity because he beleived it kept people who lacked self-control in line.

Also, even most hardcore Christians admit that Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian.

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