Why are people indulged in killing each other in the name of God?

dattaswami · 11-12-2007, 11:01 AM

Why are people indulged in killing each other in the name of God?

Ans. The original founders of the religions were the human incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc. Every religion says that their God only created this entire earth or this entire humanity. Unfortunately, there is only one earth and this proves that there is only one God mentioned by all the religions. Since God is one and the same, there cannot be contradicting concepts between the religions. But we find some contradictions and people are divided based on these contradictions. This division is leading to quarrels and finally killing each other. These contradictions cannot be from God because there is only one God as said above.

These contradictions were introduced into the religions by some misinterpretations of the followers only in the name of God. Hence the killing is also done in the name of God only. Q`ran says that you should protect even the follower of other religion and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him to follow or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada ( a great devotee) worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he is worshipping Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. In fact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah�Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture the devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini model of unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as universal spirituality.

lakeman · 11-12-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dattaswami

Why are people indulged in killing each other in the name of God?

Ans. The original founders of the religions were the human incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc. Every religion says that their God only created this entire earth or this entire humanity. Unfortunately, there is only one earth and this proves that there is only one God mentioned by all the religions. Since God is one and the same, there cannot be contradicting concepts between the religions. But we find some contradictions and people are divided based on these contradictions. This division is leading to quarrels and finally killing each other. These contradictions cannot be from God because there is only one God as said above.

These contradictions were introduced into the religions by some misinterpretations of the followers only in the name of God. Hence the killing is also done in the name of God only. Q`ran says that you should protect even the follower of other religion and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him to follow or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada ( a great devotee) worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he is worshipping Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. In fact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah�Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture the devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini model of unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as universal spirituality.

I like the questions you post. They lead to interesting thoughts. I disagree with your answers but that is one of the great things about America. We can disagree and still be citizens of the same country.

I agree that God has given insight to people all over the world and through many times. And I agree that many people have misinterpreted the revelation and added much of their own thoughts in many parts of the world. Which of course is why there are so many religions which contradict each other. I would even say that some of them are based on no insight from God at all. (No this is not an underhanded slam against you personally)

dattaswami · 11-12-2007, 09:36 PM

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I like the questions you post. They lead to interesting thoughts. I disagree with your answers but that is one of the great things about America. We can disagree and still be citizens of the same country.

I agree that God has given insight to people all over the world and through many times. And I agree that many people have misinterpreted the revelation and added much of their own thoughts in many parts of the world. Which of course is why there are so many religions which contradict each other. I would even say that some of them are based on no insight from God at all. (No this is not an underhanded slam against you personally)

There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (�Yavanartha�.�).

In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. �Esavasya Upanishad� says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles.

In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God�s work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways.

In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander�s ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander.

The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the correct path. The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by another diamond. Similarly, one type of knowledge can only be replaced by another type of knowledge. Then only, he will be convinced and changed forever.

So far, the trials made to change the terrorist were beating around the bush and therefore, they did not have much effect. Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism.

lakeman · 11-13-2007, 10:59 AM

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There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic.

You have listed two. What happens if I find a third - like jealous lovers, or sick men who think they must kill for some non-religious or not monetary motive?

Rather than trying to list all the causes of chaos I suggest that we admit that it is a part of human nature to be both evil and good. When we see people who are using religion to exercise thier passion for evil then it is the person who is the root cause and not the religion. When we see a person who is exercising their thirst for money for evil then it is the person who is the root cause and not the thirst for money.

Religion can be a wonderful thing just because some people distort it does not mean that it is bad, it means that the distortion is. Money can also be a wonderful thing. Used correctly it can buy food for the starving and medical care for sick children. There is nothing wrong in thirsting for a good ting. Some people will distort the beneficial use of money through the evil in their own hearts. I blame the distortion not the thirst.

dattaswami · 11-13-2007, 11:05 AM

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You have listed two. What happens if I find a third - like jealous lovers, or sick men who think they must kill for some non-religious or not monetary motive?

Rather than trying to list all the causes of chaos I suggest that we admit that it is a part of human nature to be both evil and good. When we see people who are using religion to exercise thier passion for evil then it is the person who is the root cause and not the religion. When we see a person who is exercising their thirst for money for evil then it is the person who is the root cause and not the thirst for money.

Religion can be a wonderful thing just because some people distort it does not mean that it is bad, it means that the distortion is. Money can also be a wonderful thing. Used correctly it can buy food for the starving and medical care for sick children. There is nothing wrong in thirsting for a good ting. Some people will distort the beneficial use of money through the evil in their own hearts. I blame the distortion not the thirst.

The same Lord came to different parts of the world in different age to preach the same Divine Knowledge. All the scriptures of the world are the records of the knowledge given by the same Lord and hence cannot contradict each other. Yet we find sometimes that there are some glaring contradictions between different scriptures of the world. This is in part due to fact that the Lord taught the same truth in different ages and places in a slightly different way, so as to suit the culture and language of the people. This is only an extraneous difference. The essential knowledge is the same. Correct interpretation will remove the contradiction.
Sometimes there may be an apparent difference even in the essential meaning.

In such as case the inconsistency is probably caused by corruption of the scripture over generations. Comparison with other scriptures of the world will help in removing the corrupted portions in each scripture. Here it becomes essential to bring in experience as a prama?a or a valid means of knowledge. While comparing contradictory views in different scriptures, the view which agrees with experience or anubhuti should be taken as correct.

lakeman · 11-13-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dattaswami

The same Lord came to different parts of the world in different age to preach the same Divine Knowledge. All the scriptures of the world are the records of the knowledge given by the same Lord and hence cannot contradict each other. Yet we find sometimes that there are some glaring contradictions between different scriptures of the world. This is in part due to fact that the Lord taught the same truth in different ages and places in a slightly different way, so as to suit the culture and language of the people. This is only an extraneous difference. The essential knowledge is the same. Correct interpretation will remove the contradiction.
Sometimes there may be an apparent difference even in the essential meaning.

In such as case the inconsistency is probably caused by corruption of the scripture over generations. Comparison with other scriptures of the world will help in removing the corrupted portions in each scripture. Here it becomes essential to bring in experience as a prama?a or a valid means of knowledge. While comparing contradictory views in different scriptures, the view which agrees with experience or anubhuti should be taken as correct.

It is a nice platitude but it is just not true.

While many have received revelation from the same lord there is not guarantee that all claims to revelation are from the Lord.

Let's take for example the cliams of Joseph smith who claims to have been given a revelation from an angel of God. Yet the revelation includes whole passages from the King James Version of the Bible right down to the typos.

Either God choose to give Mr. Smith a religion with typos or Mr. Smith plaguirized it.

Need further proof? I can make up a religion right here on the spot based solely on my own desire to make one up. It will not be from God and it will not be a corruption of scripture/revelation it will be a lie.

Statement of faith:
1) This statement of faith is true.
2) This statement of faith is false.
3) You must follow it or die
4) Everyone will die.
5) Send your contributions to "Chinese Nationals for Hillary".

freecell · 11-13-2007, 01:29 PM

[quote][Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism/QUOTE]

�Om" Did someone come back to life? Wow isn�t this person the one who can heal by the touch of the hand? I guess many will be fooled by this one. Yes we already know. �Om" �Om" �Om"

dattaswami · 11-13-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeman

It is a nice platitude but it is just not true.

While many have received revelation from the same lord there is not guarantee that all claims to revelation are from the Lord.

Let's take for example the cliams of Joseph smith who claims to have been given a revelation from an angel of God. Yet the revelation includes whole passages from the King James Version of the Bible right down to the typos.

Either God choose to give Mr. Smith a religion with typos or Mr. Smith plaguirized it.

Need further proof? I can make up a religion right here on the spot based solely on my own desire to make one up. It will not be from God and it will not be a corruption of scripture/revelation it will be a lie.

Statement of faith:
1) This statement of faith is true.
2) This statement of faith is false.
3) You must follow it or die
4) Everyone will die.
5) Send your contributions to "Chinese Nationals for Hillary".

Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher

The spiritual field is most important because it is related to the eternal welfare of the soul. If you mislead a soul in the spiritual path, that is the greatest sin and you will have to face the highest punishment in the hell. Never become a spiritual preacher through false ways and face the highest punishment. Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher as told by Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. The spiritual preacher must have the complete and correct knowledge. The incomplete correct knowledge is allowed if the students are up to that level only. But here also, you should expose the necessity of further level of knowledge.

A schoolteacher has a low degree that is required to that standard. But he should show the path to college and university after the school. He should not say that the school is the ultimate highest level. If he says like that, the student stops there only. But, the wrong knowledge, whether complete or partial is dangerous. To attain the complete and correct knowledge, you must analyze the scriptures with the most powerful logic and the latest science. Unless you complete this, do not enter the position of the spiritual preacher.

So, My dear friends! I am just an ordinary soul like anyone of you from the point of the material of body (Matter and energy) and soul (Pure awareness). I am lower than any soul on this earth from the point of the good deserving qualities of the soul (good qualities of Sattvam). I have Rajas and Tamas only with a trace of Sattvam because the three qualities have to co-exist always.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

lakeman · 11-13-2007, 11:48 PM

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Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher

The spiritual field is most important because it is related to the eternal welfare of the soul. If you mislead a soul in the spiritual path, that is the greatest sin and you will have to face the highest punishment in the hell. Never become a spiritual preacher through false ways and face the highest punishment. Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher as told by Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. The spiritual preacher must have the complete and correct knowledge. The incomplete correct knowledge is allowed if the students are up to that level only. But here also, you should expose the necessity of further level of knowledge.

I wasn't saying that making up a bogus religion was either right or wrong. I was saying that the ability of people to make up a bogus religion is in direct contradiction to your statement that all religion comes from God and is to some degree just a distortion of the original revelation.

No, some of the stuff that is out there is just bogus. Some of it did not come from God in any shape, way, or form.

Desidude666 · 11-14-2007, 01:55 AM

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[Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism/QUOTE]

�Om" Did someone come back to life? Wow isn�t this person the one who can heal by the touch of the hand? I guess many will be fooled by this one. Yes we already know. �Om" �Om" �Om"

Yeah... like Jesus. Funny how sarcastic someone else's God man becomes yeah...