Sparta

The way I see it, youre not going to have much luck pushing the private property issue. If you want someone to pay attention youre going to have to push the business aspect. I'm assuming bordering states don't also have this law on the books, think of what that will mean to border business.

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The Time

can people really ban people from smoking? How could they do that if it's a product that has been sold to the public for some years now! It's almost as if people are just now realizing this! It also has a surgoen generals warning about smoking... so what's to be surprised about? I smoke and i know what it's doing to me! i know that i'm probably going to die before my paren'ts! But seriously that pisses me off!

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metheron

The problem wiht the business aspect is that it is dis-proportioante. In northern Michigan, where I live, there are many towns that have four bars a grocery store and a gas station. You know the type. The towns rely on their local watering holes. They go there to relax, smoke, drink, catch up with friends, etc..... IN the larger say Detroit, Lansing areas there are more options. Who cares if the bar closes, their are more options around town.

The power in this state is in those larger areas, as they have more representation due to their bloated population. So what they want goes.

I am just appalled that more people don't see this as an invasion of their personal property rights. To me the issue is not smoking, it is being free to do what is legal on your own property.

Nerdo

Make me, Oh Great Moderator.

Nerdo

So you're weak. No will of your own. Okay, I accept that.

metheron

Ha ha...I am no longer a moderator and I can't make you. Don't think any one can. It would just be nice to attempt to have a thread where a serious discussion could happen without your smartass comments posted all over it. Sometimes you make me laugh, sometimes you are just a nuisance. In the R&R threads that type of childish banter is always welcomed. Occasionally here, I would just like to see people stay on topic.

Djinn

Currently, tobacco products are the ONLY consumable products that are legally sold in the U.S. that are known to be damaging to human health at any consumption rate.

You cannot compare this with fatty foods, or even alcohol, because it's possible to consume these things within a safe dosage. If you eat an otherwise healthy diet, and eat at McDonald's three or four times per year, you should suffer no ill effects. Likewise, a healthy adult can drink moderate amounts of alcohol, and the manufacturers will stake their reputation and legal standing on the safety of their products.

However, there is not a single tobacco product manufacturer that will legally guarantee the safety of their product, even at a rate of one cigarette every other month. That's the difference.

Nerdo

Good luck with that. That smokers think that they're a put-upon minority like, oh I don't know, the disabled, is beyond ludicrous. Smokers need one solution: STOP SMOKING.

Sparta

Don't townships have the right to non enforcement? Or does it not count in this type of case?

metheron

THat is an exceelent point, I have never really looked at it like that. However, doesn't that justify making cigarettes illegal, not taking away rights of a private business owner?