caffeine

Well, no - the world isn't a comic book. Only a vanishing small number of sociopaths (if even them) consciously set out to be evil. The reason Hitler and the Nazis are remembered as the uber-villians of history is a combination of the wartime propaganda of the victorious powers coupled with the actual brutality of the Nazi regime, and the revulsion most people feel looking at a conscious attempt to wipe out a whole race of people.

If considering the view that people should be divided up in the world based on skin colour or facial shape as bigotry means I'm indoctrinated with PC, then yes I am.

Edit: and everybody seems to be forgetting both Ace of Base and Roxette. Also, if you're into your heavy, industrial death-metal, Sweden is the place to be.

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Helena

You're right, I forgot. Not that I care for any of those, but I did like Roxette in the early 90's (when I was 12-13, that is).

Speaking of Roxette.... you of all people here might enjoy this as much as I do.
YouTube - Prague Metro retro

mpano66

Whatya mean??? The Nazi's were like Saddam Hussein....cuddly, fluffy lovemuffins who were just misunderstood! All those Jews and Gypsies?? The result of a typo. Hitler's typewriter was screwey, and sometimes when he hit "p" it typed "k". He actually meant "pill", not "kill"!

See?? He wanted to give them free health care! This is why some people say Hillary is just like Hitler! A progressive thinker!

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." Obama, 2008

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" after being asked a foreign policy question at a diner in Pennsylvania

With no administrative history or experience at the job, no proven skills in any executive position is Barack Obama America's first Affirmative Action president??

Dr.Knuckles

You don't have to want black people in Sweden. there's no law telling you what you're allowed to want. But saying it is going to get you compared, rightly and fairly and quite regularly, to Nazis. An organisation that felt that citizenship should be a matter of race, that the law affected different races of people differently, and that people of their race shouldn't have to live with people of other races because it's uncomfortable. And since the only possible reason to not want a race of people living in your country is child-like racial prejudice.... it's not really that much of a leap of logic.

You Nazi!

The Soviets locked people up for political crimes such as being gay, writing or reading the wrong books, questioning authority etc.. The Nazi's did also with the additional act of locking people up for not being of the correct race. It's this next step that separates them in most people's minds as uniquley horrible. Of course since then we've had Serbians, Rwandans and Cambidians and to a far lesser extent Isrealies prove them to not be so unique after all. And the Entire New World is built on the exact same wholesale elimination of local people, sometimes deliberately.

It's like calling all tissues 'kleenex', or US people "Americans". It's just an agreed upon metaphor.



I'm sure black people don't want you in Sweden. Too bad for them. Same the other way, eh?

caffeine

The Soviets also locked up people for no specific reason, effectively to use them as a captive labour force.

Inkslinger

Where'd you get those two greenies from? Migi e & IlikeGW?

America didn't jump off a cliff.... it was Bushed.

william the wierd

Not raining on your parade I hope but man are you lucky no gulag survivors are here. Jews were cosmopolitan class enemies and Gypsies were I believe labor shirkers under the Soviet system. Cossacks, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians were also preferentially murdered in the gulags. There are only two things supporting your proposition:

A) the gulags were not overrun by enemy armies so no one has any idea what the really bad places in the archipelego were like. All of the reports and novels in the west are reconstructed based on places where there were survivors, in other words the luxury resorts of the gulag system.

B) using a codeword does not change the fact that Stalin died before he could set off the worst pogrom in Russian history. Whether he would have beat Hitler's numbers on Jews and Gypsies murdered if he had lived a few more years is entirely possible but unknowable.

Since the extermination camps were overrun and there were survivors in the 10s perhaps 100s of thousands the NAZI crimes are verifiable. Lenin was in power for less than half the time of Hitler and actually capable of running things only a sixth as long. Lenin's personal murder orders may have been in excess of Hitler's 10 million. Stalin has frequently been accused of padding holocaust numbers with Gulag victims. Although I think "Viktor Suvorov" with his possibly millions unlikely in the extreme and I think the shortlived boomlet of the Likud party excerpted in "Israel" magazine back in 1967 unsubstantiated not to mention unwise they did accuse Stalin of killing so many people that he needed to do some creative accounting to keep from looking much worse than Hitler. That latter charge has never been refuted.

mono tejano

My God, what a morbid proposition, but far beit for me not to give my two kopecks...

just in terms of the number of people murdered in such a relatively short period, I would have to say that the Nazi concentration camps take the cake in terms of efficiency, but why wouldn't they be efficient? They're German.

the Gulags however were far more widespread and had a FAR longer lifespan.

They were used for slightly different reasons but both systems were directly responsible for the brutal and unnecessary deaths of millions (we'll never really know how many died in the gulags).

But that gets away from the original question which was Gestapo VS KGB...

The Cheka, later NKVD, later KGB and now Russian state security force hasn't really changed much since its inception over 80 years ago, so just in terms of longevity, my vote goes to the KGB.

Besides, the current German chancellor isn't a former Gestapo chief. Putin however...

ilikeGW

Ummm, no.

Zarathustra

The KGB learned a lot of it's techniques from former Gestapo officers, so I say KGB. The KGB was more ruthless and more powerful.

So I hope we're all proud of ourselves, sacrificing soldiers for a country that would send a man to prision for throwing shoes.
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The question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is not very damned many.

~Dick Cheney

"You do not know what genocide is, do you? It means the irradication of a race to obliviation through death."
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