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01-25-2008, 09:38 PM
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The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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"The first use of nuclear weapons must remain in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction." ~Five Western military leaders.
I read the statement three times trying to figure out the typo. Then it hit me, the West has now out-Orwellled Orwell: The West must nuke other countries in order to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction! In Westernspeak, the West nuking other countries does not qualify as the use of weapons of mass destruction.
The astounding statement comes from a paper prepared for a NATO summit in April by five top military leaders – an American, a German, a Dutchman, a Frenchman, and a Brit.
The paper, prepared by men regarded as distinguished leaders and not as escapees from insane asylums, argues that "the West's values and way of life are under threat, but the West is struggling to summon the will to defend them." The leaders find that the UN is in the way of the West's will, as is the European Union which is obstructing NATO and "NATO's credibility is at stake in Afghanistan."
And that's a serious matter. If NATO loses its credibility in Afghanistan, Western civilization will collapse just like the Soviet Union. The West just doesn't realize how weak it is. To strengthen itself, it needs to drop more and larger bombs.
The German military leader blames the Merkel government for contributing to the West's inability to defend its values by standing in the way of a revival of German militarism. How can Germany be "a reliable partner" for America, he asks, if the German government insists on "special rules" limiting the combat use of its forces in Afghanistan?
Ron Asmus, head of the German Marshall Fund and a former US State Department official, welcomed the paper as "a wake-up call." Asmus means a call to wake-up to the threats from the brutal world, not to the lunacy of Western leaders.
Who, what is threatening the West's values and way of life? Political fanaticism, religious fundamentalism, and the imminent spread of nuclear weapons, answer the five asylum escapees.
By political fanaticism, do they mean the neoconservatives who believe that the future of humanity depends on the US establishing its hegemony over the world? By religious fundamentalism, do they mean "rapture evangelicals" agitating for armageddon or Christian and Israeli Zionists demanding a nuclear attack on Iran? By spread of nuclear weapons, do they mean Israel's undeclared and illegal possession of several hundred nuclear weapons?
No. The paranoid military leaders see all the fanaticism, religious and otherwise, and all the threats to humanity as residing outside Western civilization (Israel is inside). The "increasingly brutal world," of which the leaders warn, is "over there." Only Muslims are fanatics. All us white guys are rational and sane.
There is nothing brutal about the US/NATO bombing of Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, or the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, or the Israeli ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, or the genocide Israel hopes to commit against Palestinians in Gaza.
All of this, as well as America's bombing of Somalia, America's torture dungeons, show trials of "detainees," and overthrow of elected governments and installation of puppet rulers, is the West's necessary response to keep the brutal world at bay.
Brutal things happen in the "brutal world" and are entirely the fault of those in the brutal world. None of this would happen if the inhabitants of the brutal world would just do as they are told. How can the civilized world with its monopoly on morality allow people in the brutal world to behave independently? I mean, really! God forbid, they might attack some innocent country.
The "brutal world" consists of those immoral fanatics who object to being marginalized by the West and who reply to mass bombings from the air and to the death and destruction inflicted on them through myriad ways by strapping on a suicide bomb.
Unable to impose its will on countries it has invaded with conventional arms, the West's military leaders are now prepared to force compliance with the moral world's will by threatening to nuke those who resist. You see, since the West has the monopoly on morality, truth, and justice, those in the outside world are obviously evil, wicked and brutal. Therefore, as President Bush tells us, it is a simple choice between good and evil, and there's no better candidate than evil for being nuked. The sooner we can get rid of the brutal world, the sooner we will have "freedom and democracy" everywhere that's left.
Meanwhile, the United States, the great moral light unto the world, has just prevented the United Nations from censuring Israel, the world's other great moral light, for cutting off food supplies, medical supplies, and electric power to Gaza. You see, Gaza is in the outside world and is a home of the bad guys. Moreover, the wicked Palestinians there tricked the US when the US allowed them to hold a free election. Instead of electing the US candidate, the wicked voters elected a government that would represent them. The US and Israel overturned the Palestinian election in the West Bank, but those in Gaza clung to the government that they had elected. Now they are going to suffer and die until they elect the government that the US and Israel wants. I mean, how can we expect people in the brutal world to know what's best for them?
The fact that the UN tried to stop Israel's just punishment of the Gazans shows how right the five leaders' report is about the UN being a threat to Western values and way of life. The UN is really against us. This puts the UN in the outside world and makes it a candidate for being nuked if not an outright terrorist organization. As our president said, "you are with us or against us."
The US and Israel need a puppet government in Palestine so that a ghettoized remnant of Palestine can be turned into a "two-state solution." The two states will be Israel incorporating the stolen West Bank and a Palestinian ghetto without an economy, water, or contiguous borders.
This is necessary in order to protect Israel from the brutal outside world.
Inhabitants of the brutal world are confused about the "self-determination" advocated by Western leaders. It doesn't mean that those outside Western civilization and Israel should decide for themselves. "Self" means American. The term, so familiar to us, means "American-determination." The US determines and others obey.
It is the brutal world that causes all the trouble by not obeying.
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01-25-2008, 09:40 PM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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Originally Posted by Defensor
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Are you trying to set a record for most threads started?
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Defensor, on sources of information.
It doesn't matter who's reporting on the facts
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01-25-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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Originally Posted by Think for myself
Are you trying to set a record for most threads started?
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Or maybe the most misunderstandings of George Orwell.
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01-26-2008, 01:22 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
Hey, Eric Blaie was a righteous dude!
Let me provide something in the way of a little piece of context, for the original poster -
"Morality", isn't really the issue, IMHO. 'Cause I mean, everyone and their brother's got "morality", right? All that is, is a basic understanding of right and wrong, and I mean, you know, I hear people toss around words like "amoral", and I really don't know anyone like that, do you? I don't know anyone, who has "no" sense of right and wrong. That kind of thing, usually involves sociopathic behavior, it's in the DSM, and I mean, they lock people like that up, c'ause they're a danger to themselves and to others.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, the word in question, is moralism.
That word, according to the dictionary definition, means, "denial of alternative systems of valuation".
So, the moralist, is the guy who's gonna sit there and tell you, that "his" morality is right, and everyone else's is wrong.
Because, he can't accept the "other person's valuation" - he doesn't recognize that the other person's "value system", is equally as worthy as his own.
Does that make sense?
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01-26-2008, 07:41 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
The United States is only for "Freedom" and "Democracy" abroad when that "Freedom" and "Democracy" works the way the US believes it should, and when the US supported candidate gets elected. Any other result must mean something is wrong....in the eyes of US Foreign Policy. I really dislike being an American most of the time. I wish it was feasible for me to get the Hell out of this materialistic, fat, arrogant, NOT free, empty country. Place makes me sick.
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Get me the Hell outta here. Sweden sounds nice. At least its Neutral.
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01-26-2008, 07:57 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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Originally Posted by NO-Bama
The United States is only for "Freedom" and "Democracy" abroad when that "Freedom" and "Democracy" works the way the US believes it should, and when the US supported candidate gets elected. Any other result must mean something is wrong....in the eyes of US Foreign Policy. I really dislike being an American most of the time. I wish it was feasible for me to get the Hell out of this materialistic, fat, arrogant, NOT free, empty country. Place makes me sick.
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I've been thinking of starting a 'Get 'em out fund' for a while. I would gladly give $100 to get you out of MY country. Since you obviously think our system is broke beyond repair and your vote means nothing, I agree that its time for you to fly the coupe.
I've seen almost every country in the Western Hemisphere, spent alot of time in some, and I can tell you, we are no worse than any of them, and far better in alot of cases.
How noble of you to leave the country that once stood for freedom, how dedicated to give up so easily on the country that has provided you freedom and relative comfort for your entire life. If only you could have been spawned in Cuba, or Saudi Arabia, even Mexico....to see you hope and dream of one day having the PRIVILEDGE of calling yourself an American....but no, you ARE the fat, lazy arrogant person you claim to hate. You are fat and lazy due to the blood sweat and tears of your forebearers, and amazingly arrogant to WANT MORE than America can provide you.
Have fun getting out, Ill even hold the door for you.
Last edited by Akkaid; 01-26-2008 at 08:02 AM.
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"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" - Voltair
"It is but a decent respect to the wisdom, integrity, and patriotism of the legislative body, by which any law is passed, to presume in favor of its validity, until its violation of the Constitution is proved beyond a reasonable doubt." Justice Washington
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01-26-2008, 07:58 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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Originally Posted by Akkaid
I've been thinking of starting a 'Get 'em out fund' for a while. I would gladly give $100 to get you out of MY country. Since you obviously think our system is broke beyond repair and your vote means nothing, I agree that its time for you to fly the coupe.
Im certain you have never left this continent. I've seen almost every country in the Western Hemisphere, spent alot of time in some, and I can tell you, we are no worse than any of them, and far better in alot of cases.
Have fun getting out, Ill even hold the door for you.
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Typical American Arrogance. And if you're so certain I've never left this Continent, you would be dead wrong.
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Get me the Hell outta here. Sweden sounds nice. At least its Neutral.
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01-26-2008, 08:17 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
I choose to take my stand "right here, right now".
'Cause I mean, you can't run away from that crap, can you? It just follows you wherever you go.
And I mean, the good ol' US of A, is a great freakin' country. I've done a little traveling too, and I mean, if you don't see that, you're just brain-dead, right?
There's nothin' out there, anywhere, that's any better than the US.
There's a lot of places that are "okay", but there's no place like home.
And I mean, this is far too proud and great of a country, for me to abandon. You know, it occurs to me, that We the People here, believe in something, and it's kinda embodied in that little document called the Constitution, and I mean, if we trashed that, we'd just to have to start re-building it again somewhere else, yes?
And that, is a lot of work. Took the Founders some twenty-odd years, yes?
Well, in 20-odd years, you could do a whole lot, to fix the various broken parts of the system, here in the USA.
And I submit to you, that it's worth the effort. 
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01-26-2008, 08:25 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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Originally Posted by NO-Bama
Typical American Arrogance. And if you're so certain I've never left this Continent, you would be dead wrong.
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Yeah, I took that part out, Im too tired to use the preview function, and I tend to go into rant mode when I get that PO'ed.
Check the edit, I stand by most of what I said, and you damn right Im arrogant, I work 60 hours a week, just like my dad, and Im DAMN PROUD of what we have built, and if its broken, Im gonna do everything I can to fix it. If that doesn't work, Ill collect torches and pitchforks.
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"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" - Voltair
"It is but a decent respect to the wisdom, integrity, and patriotism of the legislative body, by which any law is passed, to presume in favor of its validity, until its violation of the Constitution is proved beyond a reasonable doubt." Justice Washington
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01-26-2008, 08:29 AM
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Re: The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality
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There's nothin' out there, anywhere, that's any better than the US.
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Im not quite sure about that. I think there are places with better policies, better systems, ect. It should be our goal to look to those places and take the best from what they have and add it to our own. That we can do that is what makes us a great nation.
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"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" - Voltair
"It is but a decent respect to the wisdom, integrity, and patriotism of the legislative body, by which any law is passed, to presume in favor of its validity, until its violation of the Constitution is proved beyond a reasonable doubt." Justice Washington
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