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Old 04-08-2008, 02:53 PM   #21
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:56 PM   #22
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Their fault. If we built a cliff (heh, built a cliff) and they walked off it would you be whining about human costs?



The public needs to grow up.
Really? That is an astute opinion from someone in high school. When you can explain to me how jumping a fence to look for work is worthy of the death penalty then I will jump on that bandwagon.

Tick, on the disparity between Republican and Democrat intelligence levels.
And as a leftist loser he is intelectually inferior to real Americans.
Tick, on leftist intelligence.
And knowege of what leftists beleive and how they behave, and what their goals are.
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Really? That is an astute opinion from someone in high school.
I know.

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When you can explain to me how jumping a fence to look for work is worthy of the death penalty then I will jump on that bandwagon.
When you can explain to me why someone walking over a land mine they were fully aware was there is a death penalty.

If you have someone on ignore because you don't like their opinions, do us all a favor and just leave, moron.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:05 PM   #24
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I know.



When you can explain to me why someone walking over a land mine they were fully aware was there is a death penalty.
I will jump right on that.

Tick, on the disparity between Republican and Democrat intelligence levels.
And as a leftist loser he is intelectually inferior to real Americans.
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:02 PM   #25
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the point is not whether the government can police their side. The point is that the only thing that keeps a people from disobeying the laws is if somehow the laws provide enough sustenance for the people as a whole.
You know this, I know this - you need only look to the Federalist Papers to know that the people who wrote the constitution acknowledged this fact. Some said that the new formed federal government should not have the ability to tax exports, only imports; and rightly so, had this been adopted, it would have promoted a 'culture of smuggling' where the law had essentially no effect on the day to day lives of people.

The governing force of America is not the government; it is the markets, that control the interactions between the people. How does the government promote change? Through taxes; it makes one option more profitable then the other. Unless, of course, you'd have them govern through the military, in which case the government ceases to be a government by the people for the people, and becomes the government of America.

But I have digressed.
Unless the mexican government wants to devote a vast portion of its resources to policing the borer, thus stealing more money from its taxpayers, and promoting more poverty, thus promoting more illegal immigration, there needs to be an effort to reform the economy of mexico, to make them see 'oh look, I dont need to go to America to make money; i can stay here.'
I think that the issue here isn't that the Mexican government can't and shouldn't police their side of the border... it's that they don't even try.

Basically they RELY on this safety valve because making their own country work, for everyone, would be a lot of hard work and would actually be disadvantageous to the ruling elite there.

We tolerate this laissez-faire immigration policy. Why? Markets are one reason, but as China and India become more competitive in the global marketplace this will no longer be true. Labor intensive business models will eventually fail or yield to more innovative, less costly, and less labor intensive practices. For more on this you might want to look at the original braceros program and Heinz Ketchup company. Heinz (and others) argued that they'd go under if they didn't have illegals to pick tomatoes in the fields. When the program ended they simply developed a heartier tomato and a mechanical picking device. Problem solved and COSTS dropped.

The other reason we tolerate the illegals is because we are perpetuating an old cold war policy. We didn't want a destabilized Mexico falling victim to the "red peril", so we allowed the de-facto deportation of their troublemakers to the US (those who want to earn more money and are unhappy with their government). Thus the Mexican government has escaped TRUE reform. It's time to end that practice. We should be encouraging Mexico to fix its own problems rather than subsidizing their mis-government.

This is a picture of a conservative trying to fix the economy.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:56 PM   #26
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Sealing the border may lead to the collapse of Mexico. Not sealing the border will lead to ever higher grade civil war within the US with the use of tactical nukes and possibly strategic warheads by no later than 2020.

Socio-biology and selection is a fact of life and death not a political option

Politics is a continuation of war by other means

Calling congress a parliament of whores insults the morals and principle of crack whores
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You know what stops tidal waves of humanity?

Land mines.


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LMAO!!!
Because there really is nothing more amusing in the world than killing someone seeking a better life for themselves.

Tick, on the disparity between Republican and Democrat intelligence levels.
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open the borders


Why am I not surprised?
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I think that the issue here isn't that the Mexican government can't and shouldn't police their side of the border... it's that they don't even try.
The issue isn't that they don't try to control their own borders, they do, when people are trying to get into Mexico. Meanwhile, the Mexican government actively assists invaders into the US.

When the Minutemen began watching the borders, Mexico began telling invades where and where not to cross.

Mexico published a "How to Invade the US and Get Away With It" handbook.

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