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03-08-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Nor would I - I prefer research. Bourne - I live in AZ - he's been my senator since god was 2 - most of this stuff is well known locally. I've voted for the man more times than you have - I actually like him, but he's not a saint.
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Everyone has their faults, to be sure. But I have yet to see any evidence from a credible source that demonstrates that McCain had anything approaching what could be considered a relationship with Chalabi.
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03-08-2008, 05:52 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Everyone has their faults, to be sure. But I have yet to see any evidence from a credible source that demonstrates that McCain had anything approaching what could be considered a relationship with Chalabi.
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Have you bothered to check any of the links - or are you so convinced that you need do no research - 'cuz that's the kinda 'ignorance is bliss' convinced that does seem to rule american politics. 
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03-08-2008, 05:54 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
I hate Chalabi, and it is my opinion that anyone who deals with this punk should not be doing anything but time. Can you Imagine that Bush was going to push this piece of crap into Maliki's position? What a travesty that would have been.
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03-08-2008, 05:56 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Have you bothered to check any of the links - or are you so convinced that you need do no research - 'cuz that's the kinda 'ignorance is bliss' convinced that does seem to rule american politics. 
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Checked a few. Dismissed those that I know aren't credible sources.
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03-08-2008, 05:58 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Checked a few. Dismissed those that I know aren't credible sources.
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Ah, I see.

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03-08-2008, 06:02 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Ah, I see.

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Yeah, whatever. I make my decisions about a persons character based on credible proof, not third rate sources and assumptions.
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03-08-2008, 06:04 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Yeah, whatever. I make my decisions about a persons character based on credible proof, not third rate sources and assumptions.
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Or you make your assumptions, then decide there is no credible proof in over 93,000 hits - including several from the right wing of the spectrum. 
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03-08-2008, 06:09 PM
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Taze me bro!
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
It matters not as a dem will win..gag.. They have been beating the crap out of the repubs at the polls. They smell victory and they want it bad. Too bad for them because they will get the victory and all of Bush's bull shit will be blamed on them. Hell if they were smart they would sit this one out.
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03-08-2008, 06:10 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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Or you make your assumptions, then decide there is no credible proof in over 93,000 hits - including several from the right wing of the spectrum. 
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Well, you made the inference that McCain has ties to Chalabi. It's your responsibility to support your contention with credible sources, not just direct me to Google.
As for me, I choose not to assume or to judge based on dubious sources. You apparently feel differently.
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03-08-2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: Chalabi/McCain connection
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It matters not as a dem will win..gag.. They have been beating the crap out of the repubs at the polls. They smell victory and they want it bad. Too bad for them because they will get the victory and all of Bush's bull shit will be blamed on them. Hell if they were smart they would sit this one out.
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I agree completely. In fact, though I tend to post prefering dems, there is a damn good chance I might vote McCain. I have had deep respect for the man for much of his career - not including the last 4 years. He does make it harder when he adopts such crap as sidling toward the Xtian right and calling all dems the enemy. That is not straight talk - and he actually has been a pretty straight talker through most of his career.
However, I would definitely want a dem congress to balance him. The worst possible political disaster would be a dem blowout - I trust neither party with full control.
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Let me start off by saying that in 2000 I said, 'Vote for me. I'm an agent of change.' In 2004, I said, 'I'm not interested in change --I want to continue as president.' Every candidate has got to say 'change.' That's what the American people expect." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 5, 2008
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