Chalabi/McCain connection - Page 3

jojo · 03-08-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourne

Well, you made the inference that McCain has ties to Chalabi. It's your responsibility to support your contention with credible sources, not just direct me to Google.

As for me, I choose not to assume or to judge based on dubious sources. You apparently feel differently.

Actually, the auther of the book made more than an inference - he documents quotes and meetings. I simply posted about the book being released. You decided that you didn't like the source of my post so I supplied others, including google and a right wing site.

After that - well, you sorta closed your eyes and started...

michaelr · 03-08-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

I agree completely. In fact, though I tend to post prefering dems, there is a damn good chance I might vote McCain. I have had deep respect for the man for much of his career - not including the last 4 years. He does make it harder when he adopts such crap as sidling toward the Xtian right and calling all dems the enemy. That is not straight talk - and he actually has been a pretty straight talker through most of his career.

However, I would definitely want a dem congress to balance him. The worst possible political disaster would be a dem blowout - I trust neither party with full control.

If I vote I would vote for him and he can catch the crap.Personally I think he is a piece of crap, not only is he a bank robber but he voted to have the tax payers pay HIS victims dimes on the dollar. But alas I am sitting this one out, I will never choose the perceived less of two evils again.

On another not, I took the grandson to Rainier to day, man there is at least 15 feet of snow.

Bourne · 03-08-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Actually, the auther of the book made more than an inference - he documents quotes and meetings. I simply posted about the book being released. You decided that you didn't like the source of my post so I supplied others, including google and a right wing site.

After that - well, you sorta closed your eyes and started...

Sorry, but without credible sources your argument is without merit.
But keep using the cute emoticons. They're really pepping up your posts.

jojo · 03-08-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourne

Sorry, but without credible sources your argument is without merit.
But keep using the cute emoticons. They're really pepping up your posts.

93000 incredible sources - or a denial agenda at work. Which is easier for the unbiased to believe?

Gotta say, I'm glad you're getting some pleasure over the emoticons

because you seem to be having a less than stellar day.

steezer · 03-08-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourne

Your source, Raw Story, is akin to the National Inquirer. I don't buy any of it without an independant credible source.

How about this for a credible source-John McCain. What do you think his answer will be?

steezer · 03-08-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueneck

Isn't he wanted for embezzlement in Jordan or something like that?

Its amazing to me how the Bush family uses people to start wars in the middle east. They got some girl with a royal background from Kuwait to testify before Congress to start the first war for oil the Bush family started by saying how she had witnessed babies being taken from incubators by Iraqi Soldiers and left on the ground to die:

The emotionally-charged horror story came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl named Nayirah who supposedly could not reveal her last name for fear of putting friends and family still in Kuwait at risk. She tearfully recounted that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers taking babies from incubators and leaving them on the cold floor to die. She also provided written testimony, which was packaged in media kits prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait.

The story was repeated frequently by President Bush who claimed that 312 babies had suffered the same fate. It was also repeated on television, radio and at the Security Council. According to the Center for Media and Democracy in How PR Sold the War in the Persian Gulf

Public opinion was deeply divided on Bush's Gulf policy. As late as December 1990, a New York Times/CBS News poll indicated that 48 percent of the American people wanted Bush to wait before taking any action if Iraq failed to withdraw from Kuwait by Bush's January 15 deadline. On January 12, the US Senate voted by a narrow, five-point margin to support the Bush administration in a declaration of war. Given the narrowness of the vote, the babies-thrown-from-incubators story may have turned the tide in Bush's favor.

The real horror story was not about babies and incubators but about how the U.S. government used a lie to sell a war in which over 100,000 people died. Hill & Knowlton had omitted a minor detail about the identity of the 15-year-old Kuwaiti volunteer, namely that she was, in fact, the daughter of Saud Nasir al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. They also failed to mention that she had been coached by Hill & Knowlton before her appearance in front of the Caucus.

President George H W Bush Senior and the first Iraq War (1991) excerpted from the book Lying for Empire How to Commit War Crimes With A Straight Face by David Model

Fucking Despicable.