Common Sense Craig

That's valid. Not only government, but those who's responsibility it is to run institutes of education, such as heads of districts. Perhaps they're selling out?
The government takes money from the education budget for either personal projects or to use on projects that they've taken money from to us for still ovther projects. Then they go to the parents and hope that they can provide more to pick up the lose of budget money. Still, also, they go to the taxpayers in the neighborhood, which also includes people who do not have school-age children, to try to get more taxes from them to offset lost budget money.

We have something in common; my Mom was an elementary teacher, too, for 20 something years, the latter years spent as a substitute teacher while she raised us kids. You are quite right about the changes. It is mostly memorization and also spending great amounts of time to help the slower-learning kids while also trying to keep the faster-learning kids interested. The influx of foreign workers' kids and newly-citizened people's kids, not to mention having the kids of Illegals, some who are just learning for the first time in school, since they don't have that exposure at home.

True also. Somehow educating towards a career got phased out, while just trying to push the kids through the system became the norm. It became a business, not a nurturing, educating, preparing for the future type of atmosphere.

While I don't have a problem with this in a small quantity, I find that it is becoming overly pushed instead, as mentioned, educating or finding the best in the already-here, Legal citizens.

Yes, that is what people think, and sometimes, yes, it is true. But when the workers I talk to find that their jobs are going to foreign workers making the same OR more than they were, again, they are bewildered as to the reasons.

And yes, IIT, for example, educates a lot of people that come here highly educated. The one thing, though, as I mentioned, and it's not an exaggeration, is that a lot of the people from, say India, for example, have a hard time communicating here. At least in places I've worked. They have the ideas and the knowledge, but conveying the ideas is more difficult.

Everything I post is my opinion! So !

Not a Liberal, not a Conservative, not a Democrat, not a Republican........just a realist with an opened mind.

Advertising

Vitiate

I agree. However, I also think that many people are branching out into other fields that weren't booming or available years ago. To add, I feel the work ethic has gone down the drain which I believe has more to do with family values - typically it comes with a parent who just wasn't ready to have kids or have been plagued by complacency due to all the infatuations of having the coolest toys. The school can only do so much to rear a person.

I also remember hearing something on NPR about medical schools having trouble finding qualified individuals for the MD/PhD programs. The programs are excruciating long with little return; you work for a university, you make as much as the next PhD, regardless of the MD status. Of course there are those that pursue working in biotech/pharm, but it seems many just don't want to do bench work.

The atmosphere has changed and people seem to want to hit the minimum value of what they are worth rather going above and beyond. Most foreigners, I believe, are trained to do the work and to keep working on the problems till they can figure it out. They've grown up with the appreciation of having an education. It will be a huge shock to the current zeitgeist if they open up the borders to allow more foreigners more jobs; and I wholly support it.

Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
- Bertrand Russell

Libre

Yeah, they come from sink or swim societies and therefor have a better work ethic.

Nahh, socialism isn't destroying America.

Vitiate

What does socialism have to do with this? As far as I'm concerned it has to do with the value of scientists and engineers which is a direct result of market incompetency. There are far more better jobs out there that require less work and yield more income as opposed to scientists and engineers who get paid less and often have to scrutinize their work.

Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
- Bertrand Russell

mjollnir

It has everything to do with socialism. We have dumbed down our society with all the social programs instituted in this country....including the government run monopoly on education.

NO ONE will stone ANYONE until I blow this whistle. Even, and I want to make this perfectly clear, even if they DO say Jehovah!!!

nuit

That is so not true. Most, what you'd call, socialist countries are way way better educated than US citizens. For instance no socialist country would even consider permitting the teaching of intelligent design in science class rooms or creationism. Further in the so called socialist country I come from, my high school education was as good as a college education in the US. You need a college degree to catch up to the so called socialist countries. Most what you'd call socialist countries have government run monopolies on education. I think america keeps its population stupid so they are easier to manipulate, both when it comes to election time and when it comes to buying all the stupid products that you are constantly told to buy. And possibly so you can keep up this stupid debate about socialism is bad - ok...

He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason. - A. Crowley

mjollnir

Oh please!! I have to REALLy disagree with you there buddy. He is probably the best example of what a CEO should be in this country. he takes care of his workers....ALL of them. Almost all Microsoft employees can retire from that company as a millionaire. Name another company that does that? I am still baffled by all the Bill Gates hate going on.

NO ONE will stone ANYONE until I blow this whistle. Even, and I want to make this perfectly clear, even if they DO say Jehovah!!!