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04-17-2008, 09:41 PM
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US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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US President George W Bush's plan to cap greenhouse gases by 2025 has been dismissed as "disastrous" and "Neanderthal" by some ministers at a climate change meeting in Paris.
Mr Bush has unveiled a plan to halt the growth of US emissions by 2025, which the US says is tougher than its previous goals.
But delegates at the ministerial-level meeting of major carbon emitters, including the US, Australia and the European Union (EU), were less than impressed.
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Once again the current administration shows it's complete ignorance of the real issues in relation to climate change - though I will admit that it IS at last acknowledging there actually IS an issue.
But the real undercurrent in all of this is that America wants a free ride to continue to pollute as it has while the rest of us have to clean up after it.
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04-17-2008, 09:44 PM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
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Originally Posted by Bowerbird
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We haven't had a normal Spring in the Northeast US in over 5 years. This year March was in like a lion, and Out like a Lamb.
I think everything's fine now, the Earth is self-correcting.. You are aware the climate changes every season...?
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"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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04-17-2008, 10:12 PM
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Taze me bro!
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
Forget the fact that 2007 was the coolest year globally for the last 17 years.
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04-17-2008, 10:40 PM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
2008 and probably 2009 will be worse. and bring back the three stooges avatar if you please.
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Socio-biology and selection is a fact of life and death not a political option
Politics is a continuation of war by other means
Calling congress a parliament of whores insults the morals and principle of crack whores
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04-17-2008, 11:07 PM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
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Originally Posted by Babylon
We haven't had a normal Spring in the Northeast US in over 5 years. This year March was in like a lion, and Out like a Lamb.
I think everything's fine now, the Earth is self-correcting.. You are aware the climate changes every season...?
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I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to spring in the NE but Australia is still suffering from drought - finally we have had a bit of a reprieve with this year's La Nina but that has not broken the drought. Just because your little corner of the world remains unaffected do not think the rest of us are not suffering.
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This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply.
R. A. Heinlein
At present, the internet allows one to claim anything, relationship to royalty, physical attributes and expertise they do not have...........
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04-17-2008, 11:45 PM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
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Originally Posted by Bowerbird
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to spring in the NE but Australia is still suffering from drought - finally we have had a bit of a reprieve with this year's La Nina but that has not broken the drought. Just because your little corner of the world remains unaffected do not think the rest of us are not suffering.
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I can respect the idea that we should be environmentally friendly. But we need to think rationally when it comes to trusting our governments, and the hysteria that they are proposing on us about doom and gloom scenarios. The cap and trade legislations that were being offered were ridiculous and would be horrible for people.
Bush is pushing for things the private sector will probably do anyway. Climate change happens...it always has and it always will. We really don't know how much humans contribute, and it has become too politicized. The biggest problem with Bush is that he is conceding to the alarmist's view of doom and gloom....at least he recognized it was a complicated subject.
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04-17-2008, 11:56 PM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
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Originally Posted by mjdsr
I can respect the idea that we should be environmentally friendly. But we need to think rationally when it comes to trusting our governments, and the hysteria that they are proposing on us about doom and gloom scenarios. The cap and trade legislations that were being offered were ridiculous and would be horrible for people.
Bush is pushing for things the private sector will probably do anyway. Climate change happens...it always has and it always will. We really don't know how much humans contribute, and it has become too politicized. The biggest problem with Bush is that he is conceding to the alarmist's view of doom and gloom....at least he recognized it was a complicated subject.
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I agree, and I think I'll go as far as to say we are arrogant to think we could effect this planet that drastically. Tomorrow this Earth could change forever, while we sit, powerless to change her decision..
My biggest problem stems from what just happened to me as I was typing this very line. Global Warming? Climate Change? I mean what is the correct terminology anyway, because it Only depends on what Political Label you slapped on your forehead this morning?
Why so Partisan? If this were a Globe changing event, why would Americans leaders decide to all choose one side and run with it to both extremes?
Answer: Money
And I'm not buying..
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"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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04-18-2008, 12:14 AM
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
Since the theoretical underpinnings of predictable climate change were disproven in 1961 by Edward Lorenz at the MIT meterological school I find this thread a riot. Drought a function and symptom of warming? That's interesting. but just say the word and Florida will sacrifice its hurricane season to cool the Earth. Just get the EU to sign off on current turbines in the Gulf Stream. Of course Tasmania might experience a white Christmas if the Australian summer gets warm enough for snow. (The Gulf Stream is why there are no glaciers in Andulasia or points further north in Europe.) My horseback guess is that such turbines will lower global temperatures about 10 degrees Centigrade minimum, so just give the word and that little problem will be solved in 5 years or less.
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Socio-biology and selection is a fact of life and death not a political option
Politics is a continuation of war by other means
Calling congress a parliament of whores insults the morals and principle of crack whores
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04-18-2008, 12:40 AM
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Taze me bro!
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Re: US climate change plan 'disastrous and Neanderthal'
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Originally Posted by mjdsr
I can respect the idea that we should be environmentally friendly. But we need to think rationally when it comes to trusting our governments, and the hysteria that they are proposing on us about doom and gloom scenarios. The cap and trade legislations that were being offered were ridiculous and would be horrible for people.
Bush is pushing for things the private sector will probably do anyway. Climate change happens...it always has and it always will. We really don't know how much humans contribute, and it has become too politicized. The biggest problem with Bush is that he is conceding to the alarmist's view of doom and gloom....at least he recognized it was a complicated subject.
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