justoneman

Your name is Freah Insight, but you say the same thing I hear on a daily basis her at PH.

"the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the "sin" of creating values."

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Fresh Insight

Go here for a free history lesson:

History of the United States Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fresh Insight

Congratulations. You can read (but not type evidently). Over 12,000 posts in 20 months? Someone doesn't have much of a social life, huh justoneman? Now that I think of it, your screen name is appropriate.

Tide

Wow! I can't believe you are citing wikipedia as a source.

Of course some historians point to Jefferson as the founder of the Democratic Party, but they are liberal academics. What do you expect?

The truth is that the Democratic-Republican party was so successful at adopting the old Federalist Party's ideas that an era of one party rule resulted (the Era of Good Feelings).

But eventually the Democratic-Republican Party divided into two groups (one party with different factions). Henry Clay, President James Monroe, and President John Quincy Adams (all Democratic-Republicans) were nationalists and supported internal improvements and other Federalist style measures. Andrew Jackson and his supporters (also starting as Democratic-Republicans) supported universal male sufferage and the agrarian style of life. This was one Democratic-Republican Party. The Party of Jefferson eventually grew to encompass both Jeffersonians and Hamiltonians.

You cannot point to the Democratic-Republican Party as the root of the Democratic Party, because it was an all-encompassing party. In a way, both the modern Democrats and modern Republicans are descended from this party.

Jackson broke with the Democratic-Republican Party to form the Democrats. After this, Henry Clay and Daniel Webster formed the Democratic-Republican Party into the National Republican Party which eventually turned into the Whig Party. Abraham Lincoln was a Whig before the Whig Party collapsed and he became a Republican.

Clearly the heritage of both modern American parties in found in the Democratic-Republican Party. Thomas Jefferson is just as much a founder of the Republican Party as he is of the Democratic Party.

"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."
-Ayn Rand

Pragmatist

Who really gives a shit who the first dem or repub was? What is the point? Are you trying to say the first dem was an asshole or something? Or maybe the first repub was great? Who gives a shit and what the fuck has it got to do with what is going on today in this country?

Goldwater

No hostility meant JOM but that's exactly what he's been trying to prove through the course of this thread Prag. His attempts to push this notion that Democrats have been irrational from the beginning and Republicans have been sensible and have kept Democrats from doing the wrong thing from the beginning has been a testament to his tenacity. But as he drags it on it becomes a tribute to his audacity

JOM, Andrew Jackson was an ass hole. Jefferson and Adams said so. Jackson was a one track minded war monger. It's no surprise you like him

justoneman

Andrew Jackson is a Democrat. I do not like him. I like Lincoln the Republican.

"the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the "sin" of creating values."

justoneman

I read that tripe and that is what made me start this thread. I have heard liberals on Air America trying to push this idea of Jefferson being the first Democrat and it is wholy inaccurate.

"the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the "sin" of creating values."

Pragmatist

And I like Attila the hun, what the fuck difference does that make?

Goldwater

The Republican and Democratic parties before 1920 bear little resemblence to thier counterparts of today. One great example were the Dixiecrats on up to 1970, George Wallace was the last of that kind. Yellow Dog Democrats from the south all militant over segregation. Those folks are now red states Republicans who are bitter and have guns. (kidding)