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05-11-2008, 10:45 PM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by Stinger
Why don't they do like other points of view and use the media and other peaceful means? Why can't they convince people to their view points simply by talking with them like everyone else?
Obama says he can do that.
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05-11-2008, 10:53 PM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by ThatGuy
Organized protesting fails time after time. Since the MLK Civil rights movement, protests of all types from Anti-Nukes to Animal Rights and Anti-War seem to fail. Why?
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by fail do you mean that they don't sway the situation toward the direction they want? in that sense, i guess you're right some of the time, but as someone else said, protests are also meant to inform people, and its impossible for them to fail in that goal.
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05-12-2008, 02:19 AM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by ThatGuy
Organized protesting fails time after time. Since the MLK Civil rights movement, protests of all types from Anti-Nukes to Animal Rights and Anti-War seem to fail. Why?
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Anti-nuke protests have succeeded.
We haven't built a new nuclear power plant in thirty years, even though burning uranium is the ideal solution to the problem of supplying high power density needs without negatively impacting the environment through acid rain, greenhouse gases, or hydroelectric dams.
Anti war protests always fail because those people are stupid. War is the natural state of mankind. Protesting isn't going to change anything basic.
Besides, only the looney left can protest regularly. The rest of us have jobs to go to.
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MYOB. - The key to liberty. Don't know MYOB? Leave me alone and mind your own business.
I'm a greedy selfish bastard, and damn proud of it.
You're not foolish enough to trust government, are you? Then think about this:
Since there isn't any corn on the cob, thanks solely to government interference, my kids have lost the freedom to eat corn on the cob on the Fourth of July this year.
What the hell kind of country are the socialists building here?
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05-12-2008, 04:06 AM
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Senior Member
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by ThatGuy
Organized protesting fails time after time. Since the MLK Civil rights movement, protests of all types from Anti-Nukes to Animal Rights and Anti-War seem to fail. Why?
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Because, for the most part, people are protesting against liberty. That doesn't go over so well. Protesting for freedom works, protesting against it doesn't.
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05-12-2008, 04:11 AM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
Protests are mainly held to "sound an alarm" or raise awareness. It is my belief that no protest is a failure.
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05-12-2008, 04:25 AM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by Coolio43
Protests are mainly held to "sound an alarm" or raise awareness. It is my belief that no protest is a failure.
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The Libertarians protest against big government has certainly failed, yet once again.
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MYOB. - The key to liberty. Don't know MYOB? Leave me alone and mind your own business.
I'm a greedy selfish bastard, and damn proud of it.
You're not foolish enough to trust government, are you? Then think about this:
Since there isn't any corn on the cob, thanks solely to government interference, my kids have lost the freedom to eat corn on the cob on the Fourth of July this year.
What the hell kind of country are the socialists building here?
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05-12-2008, 07:15 AM
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GOP antiodontalgic
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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It was an inspiring sight. Outside Federal Communications Commission headquarters more than a hundred and fifty people were chanting for better media. Inside, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin squirmed every time the room erupted around calls to stop consolidation. It was Halloween at the FCC – and the trick was definitely on them.
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Stop Big Media » Blog Archive » Rally Sends a Message to the FCC
Sometimes they do work. Even if the media isn't talking about it. Maybe in part, when the media doesn't show wallpaper of people dressed in giant paper mache heads all day long, it helps.
I think when different groups across the spectrum can mobilize a public outcry, coupled with (as in this case) a public forum in which protesters are given a chance to air their grievances, it can be highly effective.
I agree that dressing up like a clown and hitting the streets with signs and slogan shouting at high profile events is a wasted effort however. It has to be followed up by lots of emails, letters, phone calls and one or two Senators speaking out on behalf of the people instead of the special interests.
I also believe that if the government has made up their minds about something, such as the Iraq war, there's not much anyone can do.
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05-12-2008, 08:47 AM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
Protests fail because eventually people in power realized that
"one million people marching..........is still just one million people"
Loud, annoying, impressive on television.
But one million people makes up HALF OF ONE PERCENT of American voters.
So who gives a damn.
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05-12-2008, 08:54 AM
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by Dayton3
Protests fail because eventually people in power realized that
"one million people marching..........is still just one million people"
Loud, annoying, impressive on television.
But one million people makes up HALF OF ONE PERCENT of American voters.
So who gives a damn.
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Protests of all sorts have succeded in changing policy many times in the past. Look at Vietnam, civil rights and like FFA said in the field of nuclear. They may not individually score instant success but to say they have not had any effect is preposterous.
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05-12-2008, 09:01 AM
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GOP antiodontalgic
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Re: Why do Protests fail?
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Originally Posted by Dayton3
Protests fail because eventually people in power realized that
"one million people marching..........is still just one million people"
Loud, annoying, impressive on television.
But one million people makes up HALF OF ONE PERCENT of American voters.
So who gives a damn.
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Yeah, but if those people were distributed strategically in the districts of Congress critters with marginal wins, they could have an effect. Anti-war protests fail because you can't just say "No more war" and be done with it. You have to be more specific.
To some degree the information age is to blame because you could easily develop ADD with all the stuff out there to be outraged about. It's overwhelming.
You get on boards like this and people can't debate things half the time without devolving into personal attacks and such, and it makes you wonder if this is what happens in the capitol.
I watched a program on the History channel once about civil disobedience laws. Protests today are in violation of those laws if they prohibit any kind of commerce or interrupt government services. Because of this, they aren't allowed to actually do anything that would be effective other than present a show of force that is in reality impotent.
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Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
" Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance." ~ Sarah Palin
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