Why do Protests fail? - Page 3

nickcuse · 05-12-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Anti-nuke protests have succeeded.

We haven't built a new nuclear power plant in thirty years, even though burning uranium is the ideal solution to the problem of supplying high power density needs without negatively impacting the environment through acid rain, greenhouse gases, or hydroelectric dams.

Anti war protests always fail because those people are stupid. War is the natural state of mankind. Protesting isn't going to change anything basic.

Besides, only the looney left can protest regularly. The rest of us have jobs to go to.

good article on nuclear power from an economic standpoint. apparently the problems are not just what you've expressed:

What Nuclear Renaissance?

even warren buffet and $13 million in research couldn't find a way to make money from nuclear power. and according to two online polls of environmental types, most of them aren't against nuclear power.

Stinger · 05-12-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bla bla

I dont answer for Code Pink. You want to know, ask them.

I didn't limit my comments to Code Pink I was commenting on all the "protest" movements.

ThatGuy · 05-12-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelr

What do you mean, voting. Hows that working for us? What happens after the upcoming elections? I will tell you, were are going to get stuck in the same place that were in, if were lucky.

I'm not talking about elections.The beautiful thing about being an American is that I have representation, Local, State and Federal.
My State Rep. happens to be a Democrat. Party aside, If I had a public issue I felt needed to change, I'm organizing a group and we're going after him. Emails, phone calls, office visits, you name it.
I think a lot of Americans could be swayed on certain issues if the tatics weren't so ....kooky( sorry).

Akkaid · 05-12-2008, 02:07 PM

Have to agree with ThatGuy, groups like Code Pink are an annoying joke, and I firmly believe they do more harm for thier cause that good. Case in point-

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Get a damned job. (And Iron my shirt!)

michaelr · 05-12-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

I'm not talking about elections.The beautiful thing about being an American is that I have representation, Local, State and Federal.
My State Rep. happens to be a Democrat. Party aside, If I had a public issue I felt needed to change, I'm organizing a group and we're going after him. Emails, phone calls, office visits, you name it.
I think a lot of Americans could be swayed on certain issues if the tatics weren't so ....kooky( sorry).

Hey that is a form of protest, good for you. Unfortunately it is all done behind the scenes and therefore you will most likely hit a rock wall. Bring the press in and you will do much better, do not allow the press to ask for answerers you press for answers and allow your rep to hang him/her self.

Freedom for All · 05-12-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nickcuse

good article on nuclear power from an economic standpoint. apparently the problems are not just what you've expressed:

What Nuclear Renaissance?

even warren buffet and $13 million in research couldn't find a way to make money from nuclear power. and according to two online polls of environmental types, most of them aren't against nuclear power.

Did they're research start with economical means of removing the lice from the hair of the nuclear power proponents? Delousing costs billions, and only because, for some strange reason, it's not legal to shoot lawyers filing frivolous lawsuits for environmentalists.

Get rid of the legal hassles involved in building nuclear power plants and the engineering hurdles are cheap.

Death to the NIMBYs!

Blueneck · 05-12-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedom for All

Anti-nuke protests have succeeded.

I think "The China Syndrome" had a lot to do with that. Besides, NIMBY is a local thing, easier to get results on those than national issues.

Dr.Knuckles · 05-12-2008, 10:34 PM

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Besides, only the looney left can protest regularly. The rest of us have jobs to go to.

That's actually the answer.

1.5 million in London and a million in New York protested the start of the Iraq War. It was the largest protest in the history of the world, literally hundreds of cities all over the world, from Tokyo to Rio to Lisbon to Sydney... all on the same day for the same purpose.

But the truth of the matter is - almost every single one of them was a student or a retiree or someone on some sort of social assistance who had nothing else to do that day.

Even if I did arrange my schedule the month in advance so I could get a day off work, I'd spend that day with my wife and kid... not in the rain protesting some shit.

Serious people don't own bullhorns and stay up late making placards. They have mortages and student loans and kids with colds and crap like that.

It's why poor people never start revolutions - it's always the highly educated upper-middle class with independant means.

nickcuse · 05-12-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles

That's actually the answer.

1.5 million in London and a million in New York protested the start of the Iraq War. It was the largest protest in the history of the world, literally hundreds of cities all over the world, from Tokyo to Rio to Lisbon to Sydney... all on the same day for the same purpose.

But the truth of the matter is - almost every single one of them was a student or a retiree or someone on some sort of social assistance who had nothing else to do that day.

Even if I did arrange my schedule the month in advance so I could get a day off work, I'd spend that day with my wife and kid... not in the rain protesting some shit.

Serious people don't own bullhorns and stay up late making placards. They have mortages and student loans and kids with colds and crap like that.

It's why poor people never start revolutions - it's always the highly educated upper-middle class with independant means.

wait, so what exactly is your stance on the "type" of person that protests? first they're students, then they have nothing to do, then they're not serious, then they're highly educated upper-middle class.