Djinn

Well, you folks blamed thimerosal, without the backing of sound scientific research, and demanded that it be removed from vaccines. The vaccine industry removed thimerosal, which is why autism rates have plummeted in the last decade... right?

What, they haven't plummeted? They've INCREASED?

This should illustrate the fact that knee-jerk reactions are unlikely to solve problems.

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michaelr

Look stats are stats, healthy children get vaccinations, healthy kids get autism type disorders. Those are the facts, what causes it I dunno, does it happen, you better believe it does. Is my people as you so aptly put it pissed, well of course as everyone should be.

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But is there a definable causal link? So far even with major multi national studies there has been no causal link found

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Djinn

That's a false correlation. For example, all people with male-pattern baldness have been exposed to sunlight. Therefore, sunlight causes male-pattern baldness. See how silly that sounds?

Technically, your logic makes even LESS sense than my example, since there are plenty of autistic children that have never received any sort of vaccination.

There are two ways to address this.

1) Employ the knee-jerk reaction of assigning blame to a suspected cause, and campaigning to have the suspected cause banned. If the ban is enacted, and it doesn't resolve the problem, pick a new suspected cause, and start over.

2) Employ scientific research to determine the actual cause, and then take a corresponding course of action.

freckles

I can't take anything seriously that misspells a word in their headline.

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Vitiate

Michael, did you ever think for one moment that there might be a coincidence between the age at which autism is most likely to develop and the age at which certain vaccines are to be administered?

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Ausinus

Correlation does not imply causation. Additionally from some snotty hippie 'doctor'.

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Akkaid

Smallpox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Killed 500 million in the 20th Century

Vaccination began on a mass scale in 1972 by the evil WHO

~0~ died from smallpox since 1977

Yes, by all means, lets be rid of these dangerous vaccines! I would much rather my kid die from smallpox than have a .075% chance of having Autism!

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Djinn

Actually, to use michaelr's logic, 1972 was the first year in which sales of color television sets outpaced sales of black-and-white sets. Therefore, it must have been the radiation unique to color CRTs that caused the decrease in smallpox cases.

However, in recent years, most new televisions rely on other display technologies, such as LCD and plasma, which do not provide the necessary EM frequencies to keep the smallpox virus under control.

The only sensible action at this point is to ban LCD/plasma displays. Otherwise, we're just ASKING for a smallpox pandemic.

Merantes

The video you link to is an interview of Dr. Maurice Hilleman, a microbiologist and vaccine expert who worked at Merck for the better part of his career. He has developed more vaccines than any other individual and is often credited as saving more lives in the 20th century than any other scientist.

The interview is about the history a vaccine development, particularly the polio vaccine. Much of what is discussing is the travails they had in trying to find a way to make a safe, clean vaccine. The cancer virus referred to in the title above is SV40 (simian virus 40), a monkey virus. It is also referred to as a DNA transforming virus, meaning that it's genetic material is DNA and that is has been shown to cause tumors in experimental animals and in cell culture. "Transforming" is a scientific term the conversion of a normal cell into a cancer cell; it is "transformed."

What Hilleman is talking about is that SV40 contaminated at least some lots of the Sabin version of the polio vaccine. The vaccine was contaminated at very low levels: 1 in 10,000 viral particles in the vaccine was SV40. For the dose administered, this is considerably below the amount of virus needed to establish an infection. So the contaminant was not a health risk r at least not a measurable one.

It is important to remember that this was decades ago. This is not the case today. There are many more safeguards in place and safety tests that are performed today compared to then. Because vaccine production is made by biological process, there is always a risk of some unknown, and thus undetectable, infectious agent is in the product. The process of vaccine production is rigorously controlled and the production of each strictly defined, but here will always be some risk. However, the risk is far outweighed by the benefit.

Another thing to be aware of when viewing that video in Hilleman's personality. He was something of a firebrand. The humor he uses shouldn't be taken literally; it's sarcastic.

The link to Merck's experimental (not commercially available) HIV vaccine also merits mention. The experimental vaccine delivered the HIV structural genes (termed Gag for group associated antigens). What was found was that the incidence of HIV infection was higher in the vaccinated group than in the un-vaccinated group. It is not known why this occurred, but because it was observed, the development of this vaccine was halted.

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