splansing

Haven't you ever heard of tough love?

You'll never experience your full potential as long as you're wasting your time hanging around with your childhood friends, Jesus and Moses. The time comes for men to put away childish things. There is always another level for you to achieve, and at every step we have to be strong enough to step through our fears, to question the things that we wrongly think reality itself is based upon. Because when you can do that, and you challenge your assumptions, and you make that leap, you'll find that the world is still turning, people are still people, but now you have a slightly different perspective on things, and more power over and understanding of your life.

It's not bitterness or anger you're hearing. It's somebody trying to help you.

Clinging to the religious beliefs of your childhood will limit you in the same way that continuing to believe in Santa Claus would limit you. That's not an attack. It's just true.

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Goldwater

Quoting Webster, Gay males having sex is that which is abominable; anything hateful, wicked, or shamefully vile; an act that excites disgust and hatred; a hateful or shameful vice; pollution. This is an opionion, quite outdated too. Premarital heterosexual sex is equally shameful in the version I looked up.

Bible Thumper, you need to sort out in your own mind when you figured your opinion had gained the smallest bit of relevance to Gay's and sex. How do I say this without seeming insensetive to your needs Thumper.....It doesn't matter one single tiny bit what you think. Are you deluded enough to think your interpretation of what God thinks gives you the credibility to affect anyone who's gay? Because if you're not gay, it's all just you being a hatefull sex freek.

I would like to see you express your feelings on this matter to an entirely Gay audience and I'd give each one of them an egg and instruct them to be tolerant, by the end of your talk you'd be soaked yellow

Sarah Palin, A heartbeat away from the Presidency, and 12 years away from being a Great Grandmother.

Ausinus

If I was in the audience he'd have orange under his nose.

Take your christian crap off my coins NOW! I dont believe in god and even if there was I wouldnt trust him/her/it.

BibleThumper

It might not matter to you, but there has been several discussions on this board where members like Con have been confronted for holding the position that you can love the sinner but hate the sin. So yeah, I do believe that some people actually care.

How exactly does my pointing out that gay sex is NOT a sin, make me hateful.

What exactly were you trying to prove with that red herring?

International Underwriter I have never thought christians were shit, but you keep typing and maybe I soon will. btw - this is the first red I have ever given

dbelkau sorry I can't tolerate this

Zarathustra You're disgusting

Bluegrass Sick. And I never give reds.

roobarb

Oops.Sorry. I think its hilarious. I get all pissed about fundamentalism and I took it literally. Hah. That is funny. Except my head is still jammed up my self-righteous bum bum. Oy this yoga is killing me.

O.k. now that Mr. Duh has got the original point can I just say if there is a God and its as magificent as some say it is, it would be so trivial as to sit around worrying about the sex preferences of humans.

Sounds to me like another case of bearded smelly men locked in a room wrestling with their inner demons.

Nothing an enema and a brisk walk couldn't fix.

Burning Giraffe

I certainly hope so.

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Feslin

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Wow. I can't believe you said some of that. That's just stupid.

If you have someone on ignore because you don't like their opinions, do us all a favor and just leave, moron.

C-101

Is that really what atheism is about? Removing the "limitations" of being faithful and adhering to strong set of values?

Is it about freedom to do whatever you want without remorse or guilt?

I think it is. For if you have doubts, you would be an agnostic. An agnostic doesn't know whether God exists or not, and because of that remains neutral and doesn't take a stance on it. This is what true disbelief should be. And that is why I admire non-believers who make the distinction of being agnostic.

Atheists claim that they know that God can't possibly exist, and therefore adjust their lifestyle accordingly. And yet, they fail to disprove His existence.

So in all reality, atheists don't believe in God because they feel that he can't possibly exist, but they instead refuse to accept the principles, morals, and values that come with a belief in God.

Is this to say that all atheists don't hold values or morals? Certainly not!

But one thing they ALL don't do, is repentance of their sins.

To them, what's done is done, and there is no use pondering upon it.

An example of this sort of atheism was an event in my town.

Two atheists gave speeches at the local high school this past graduation.

Both encouraged the message about doing what is pleasing and fun to do.

Not one time did they say, "do the right thing". But instead, their speeches were all about a hollow and empty "happiness" through "freedom".

They talked about this being the only life one has, and therefore, one must enjoy as much of it as possible. And yet, there was no message of doing the right thing and making the right judgements. With regards to choices, they merely stated to choose the one that makes YOU happy rather than the right choice. How horribly mistaken they are.

True happiness doesn't come from the flesh, but from God.

I know some people will despise me for saying these things, but I don't care.

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lakeman

OK, so evertime I see the title of this thread I think one thing and it is of course another. So now that it has died down a bit I will take the opportunity to make it what I thought it was.

Early in my walk I read the six or so passages in the bible that discuss gayness. They seem pretty clearly to condemn it soundly.

At one point I heard that they were not applicable or translated well so I looked into that. The arguments minimizing the impact of those verses was not well put forth and it was unconvincing. It seemed more than anything to be a rationalization from people who were gay and also Christians.

Obviously, Christians are called to love all people (even during war when we may have to kill enemies) and to stand up for the powerless. People who are gay certainly need defending from bigots in addition to the strong defense they are giving themselves. I see no conflict in loving the person but hating the sin. This is true of all sin and sinners whether it be murder, greed, or just gluttony.

But more recently (a few years ago) I reviewed the arguments about the few scriptural passages and gayness and they are much better written now. I find that they are convincing in pointing out that there is no clear and applicable passage that condemns modern homosexuality. Saying that there is no passage condeming it is not the same as saying that there are passages indicating it is OK. It is just not condemed directly.

I call on my brothers and sisters to reach out to gay people and anyone else who is beaten down and help. There is no excuse to not love them and to not stand up when others are hateful. God loves all who come to Him in faith and gay people are welcome to come to God in faith just as we did. I know of nothing more important than them coming to God. Will we let some unclear passages get in the way of us accomplishing the great commision we are called to do in so many very clear passages?

If homosexuality is indeed a sin ( as if any one sin matters much considering the mountain of sin we all live with) for whatever reason, then all the more important it is to show them God's love so that they can come to God and be convicted by Him themselves. All Christians can be sanctified by the Holy Spirit. In fact, non-christians can be sanctified through their relations with us too. Of course that assumes that we are open to God's leading in the first place.

" The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. [] Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
-- James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

Djinn

Is there anything in the bible that condemns female homosexuality? The Leviticus quote clearly address males, but not females.