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Old 06-28-2008, 11:08 PM   #41
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I quit the Christian church life for many reasons. Topping that list was the fact 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell by the hand of a Loving God.

Where do the Christians stand on the fate of the unbelievers and the Jews (God's chosen people) all being sentenced to eternal damnation? What of the people who do not hear the Word? Why are they punished as well?
Only invincible ignorance will excuse unbelievers in the eyes of God. The Jews, God's accursed people, are damned unless they convert like any other unbelievers.



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Old 06-28-2008, 11:48 PM   #42
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Wow, sounds like God really fucked up that Garden of Eden thing.

Worshiping Nature is worshiping the creation of God. Sounds perfectly compatible with the underlying doctrine of Christianity.
Christians, like most Monotheists, are forbidden from worshiping created things.

Further, Eden was described as being rather different formthe world we find about us, as was Man.
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I quit the Christian church life for many reasons. Topping that list was the fact 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell by the hand of a Loving God.

Where do the Christians stand on the fate of the unbelievers and the Jews (God's chosen people) all being sentenced to eternal damnation? What of the people who do not hear the Word? Why are they punished as well?
The Bible says that all people will have heard of God/jesus before He comes back.
I am not a Biblical scholar & can only try to decipher what I read in the Bible. I don't know what "burn in hell" means, I don't know if that's literal or not. I do believe that if one does not believe in Jesus that they will not go to Heaven.
I do not believe that 99.99% of the worlds population will "burn in hell". I also believe in the adage, "there are no athiests in a fox hole".
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:01 PM   #44
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I was once told by a Christian who came to my door trying to save me (I was on his route that week) that everyone hears the word of Christ one time in his life. If they don't take it to heart, it's their fault.
That's what the Bible says BN, basically.
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I quit the Christian church life for many reasons. Topping that list was the fact 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell by the hand of a Loving God.

Where do the Christians stand on the fate of the unbelievers and the Jews (God's chosen people) all being sentenced to eternal damnation? What of the people who do not hear the Word? Why are they punished as well?
No, you have it wrong. If a person never heard the Word how can he reject? No need to worry about the Jews either. If you have faith of a mustand seed. He is a Loving God but you have to accept Him.
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Old 07-01-2008, 04:07 PM   #46
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No, you have it wrong. If a person never heard the Word how can he reject.

Because the Word is a bunch of hocus-pocus fairytale bullshit?

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Old 07-09-2008, 09:05 PM   #47
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I quit the Christian church life for many reasons. Topping that list was the fact 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell by the hand of a Loving God.

It does seem incredulous that a loving God would let 99.99% of people "burn in hell." Putting aside that the number is inflated lets just say it is a high number.

The thief on the cross experienced an 11:00th hour conversion. How many people will experience an 11:05 conversion or an 11:55 or even a 12:01?

God does say that he does not want anyone to go to hell. Are we to suppose that God's will will be done in this as well?

But what if someone will go to hell. If they are guilty of sin and they have rejected salvation then what else can be done considering they do deserve it? Would a just God permit those unrepentant souls who deserve punishement to avoid it? How loving would He be if He did? One person or 1 million or 5 billion what difference does it make if they are in fact guilty and deserving of consequences?

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Where do the Christians stand on the fate of the unbelievers and the Jews (God's chosen people) all being sentenced to eternal damnation? What of the people who do not hear the Word? Why are they punished as well?
They all have heard the word of God one way or another. And they will only be judged to the extent that it was clear to them and they knew when they sinned that it was wrong and later they rejected forgiveness. Before the age of reason they had years to consider how they would behave when older. After the age of reason they had time to decide if they would do wrong or not. After their wrongdoing they had time to decide if they would be penitant or not. They have been given many chances and who knows they may even have a last chance still to come or even (just wild conjecture here) an after-last chance. What more do you want? We might even imagine that even in hell they will have numerous chances to repent. Isn't it better to love God sooner rather than later regardless?

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Old 07-10-2008, 07:26 AM   #48
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Only invincible ignorance will excuse unbelievers in the eyes of God. The Jews, God's accursed people, are damned unless they convert like any other unbelievers.
Very loving god you have there.



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Very loving god you have there.
I makes one wonder if God (the creator of all things) is so preoccupied
with having his own creation worship him why He did not create them to
do it naturally.

Is He a sadistic bastard?

Did He create some souls to "question" so He could watch them burn in
eternal damnation?

Did He create the text of the Bible so He could enjoy watching the souls
of those who had never seen it burn in eternal damnation?



Is heaven really full of bigoted, self righteous, ass kissing, jerks?



The good hearted Christians I know dont spout any judgmental crap like
that -- they practice a religion of forgiveness, and believe in Gods
unconditional love for His creation.

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I quit the Christian church life for many reasons. Topping that list was the fact 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell by the hand of a Loving God.

Where do the Christians stand on the fate of the unbelievers and the Jews (God's chosen people) all being sentenced to eternal damnation? What of the people who do not hear the Word? Why are they punished as well?
i have been a Christian for a long time and have never heard 99.99% will burn in Hell. so I dispute that "fact." but the Fate of unbelievers is clear.

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