mjdsr

If there system is so great, then why are they reforming it? They do not have enough public funding to maintain an efficient system. They also face a similar problem that the U.S. does with a shortage of healthcare workers.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/31/10/17256025.pdf

http://www.nbnu-siinb.nb.ca/document...tararticle.pdf

Why do patients have to come to the U.S. for emergent cardiac situations? They have to come to the United States because of the inability of Canada to provide the care that they need.

What about Massachusetts, and the problems they are having?

The problems that we have in our healthcare system will not be solved by simply giving everyone coverage. It will only add to them. People in countries who do have universal coverage also report problems and dissatisfaction. My argument is, how does simply giving everyone coverage address the multiple problems that already exist in our current system?

Here is another interesting read.
Common Concerns Amid Diverse Systems: Health Care Experiences In Five Countries -- Blendon et al. 22 (3): 106 -- Health Affairs

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ThatGuy

Healthcare is a "Human Right"? You are kidding right? The class warfare you try is sick and misguided. Most ofus work hard for what we have, I'll be danged if I'm OK w/ my tax dollar going for Joe Schmuck's shitty colesterol level from his addiction to friggin' Dorrito's and Pepsi.
The whole notion of socialized health care is a step closer to a socialist society. When people claim they can't afford healthcare, makes me laugh. all the while they can afford those cell phones, computers, internet, cable tv and on and on.

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boontito

Aha, one more illustration as to how lazy we Americans are. Why aren't we walking to Canada to get those prescriptions filled? And, how bad could Canadians need health care from us if they can all walk here? That would seem to me to be the action of a fairly healthy person.

2lane

With fuel prices affecting everything across the board healthcare as a business concern is taking a backseat unless your part of the millions who are uninsured. One of the areas our industries have had trouble in competeing (aside from building a shitty car compared to Honda and
Toyota) is the fact they are going against foreighn companies in 1st world countries that governments subsidize healthcare and in 3rd world countries of course there is no healthcare or concern for environmental issues. As for the latter thats fine in the short term but watch the Beijing Olympics and has yourself if you'd want to live there. Like roads which we need for commerce, Americans need to know they have healthcare and know they won't lose their home if they get sick. Its not that government screws everything up, its the Republicans who try to run the government that screw everything up. You watch all the neocons will hollar about how the Democratic congress hasn't done anything and totally ignore all the vetos Bush has done to any attempt at mitigating legislation.

This isn't to deny that Canada's healthcare system doesn't have problems but I'm not familiar with Canada's system.

I only take Euros!

2lane

Yep mj and I'm a part of our system and as long as there is a shortage you buddy are going to be paying me upwards of $125 to $150 per hour. Don't get sick cause I don't think you can afford me.

I only take Euros!

liberalman

During a lunch-hour speech at Montreal's Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday, Claude Castonguay told his audience he was disconcerted by how poorly his recommendations were received, but admitted he's not surprised.
He took issue with how media reports interpreted his recommendations and said they were misrepresented as a road map to privatization.
Quebec won't shelve Castonguay health report

Hmm so he's not advocating a private system at all.....

mjdsr

Healthcare shouldn't be about the democrats verses the republicans. It should focus on what is best for the citizens of the country, setting goals, and working on how we can achieve them. The blame should be placed on both parties, not just one. Government interference is one of the reasons our prices are high. If people could look past the partisan bickering and examine what needs to be done, maybe we could change the system for the better.

My problem with universal coverage is that it ignores many of the problems that exist. Why do people think that giving everyone coverage will just make these other problems go away?

uncommonman

'Cause most of us don't live that close to Canada. Canadians, on the otherhand, live as close as they can to the US. It's too damn cold to live further north up there. (I think they might be secretly hoping for global warming so SHHHHHHH!)

mjdsr

The system is underfunded, and they have stated that they cannot raise taxes. Over the past 20 years, they have already had various reforms, without results. While they may not be advocating a completely private system, they do realize that their public system is failing.

http://142.213.166.134/en/rapport/pd...ementSante.pdf

Seems they are making a step in the right direction. And that they are advocating that the private sector is needed. While they aren't calling for the complete dismissal of the public program, they have finally realized that to continue with only a public funded system is a mistake.

Infrangible

Exactly. All the socialist policies we currently have in place are the very ones that are draining the national treasury..i.e. your pocketbook.