The Problems With the "Science" Behind Global Warming. - Page 29

Ronster · 07-04-2008, 10:36 PM

I live in the freakin sunshine state, 98 and 03 were pretty hot, this summer has been mild thus far. And a nice LONG florida winter. It was like spring here for months.

Freedom for All · 07-05-2008, 01:08 AM

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According to the Washington Times, 2007 was a year of Global Cooling for much of the world.
"Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. While the artic ice is melting...Antarctica is getting colder and in 2007 South America has experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered."
"Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio."
"Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years."
> Record Cold and Global Cooling in 2007

Naturally, if each of the next twenty years are colder than the preceding year, it will be because of global warming.

Freedom for All · 07-05-2008, 01:15 AM

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Yes, There is only one north pole. Just like there is only one Planet Earth. That is why it is a big deal to not let the ideologs (who would also interject religion into science ) have any more voice than they should have had when they slammed the thinking of Darwin or the fact that the earth is not the center of the universe.

It's a damn big universe.

You sure there's only one Earth?

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Global Warming is a scientific issue.

No, it's a political issue.

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Why should we listen to Rush Limbaugh and George W Bush over the scientific community.

Because their budgets aren't dependent upon convincing people the sky is falling.

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George W Bush has proven to be a major leage idiot

Yes, he's a liberal alright. Can't argue with that.

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and the same people that defend him usually attack the science of global warming

I'm not one of them.

I just stick with the truth wherever it's found.

There's certainly the very large possibility Bush is an idiot AND the sky isn't falling.

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Either that or they try to get people to listen to them with the same level of credibility as real scientists.

That's because the real scientists have lost a lot of credibility on this issue because they're pandering to political issues rather than sticking to the science.

Just in case you've decided to pretend you're not seeing history repeat itself, it's these same climatologists that claimed we were going to breed ourselves into poverty by 2000, the so-called "Club of Rome" and the Population Bombers, who proclaimed the advent of a new ice age in the 70's and went along with the acid rain mythos in the 80's and pushed the lying agenda of "nuclear winter" in the 80's, and have generally proven themselves to be the perfectly willing whores of politicians for the last four decades.

No thinking person has any reason taking what those proven liars have to say at face value.

Bowerbird · 07-05-2008, 02:20 AM

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Come on, every liberal knows global cooling is caused by global warming. Get with the program! Ohmmmm .... Ohmmmmm ....... Ohmmmmmm ....... a bop bop a re bop.

The recent cooling is because of a La Nina, which actually is a higher temperature than previous la Nina's - a little and I mean a little research on your behalf would have found this answer.

Dr.Knuckles · 07-05-2008, 02:42 AM

Research would mean that there was something we didn't know already.

Noone on this board is ever going to admit to that.

kmiller1610 · 07-05-2008, 04:14 AM

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It might be, however, it's been noticed that the earth can only be saturated with so much CO2 before it starts sitting in the air. This is the problem we're facing; whether or not we can counteract the acceleration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Don't the oceans absorb a lot of it?

Aren't the toxic levels of Co2 (in a room) something like 5,000 ppm?

Aren't we somewhere under 300 ppm?

Bowerbird · 07-05-2008, 04:40 AM

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Don't the oceans absorb a lot of it?

Aren't the toxic levels of Co2 (in a room) something like 5,000 ppm?

Aren't we somewhere under 300 ppm?

The oceans do absorb a lot of CO2 but at a cost - they become more acidic, this change in acid levels will cause a breakdown in the Calcium Carbonate in the coral as well as coral bleaching

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The reason involves some basic chemistry. When CO2 gas dissolves in seawater, it combines with water molecules (H2O) to form carbonic acid (H2CO3). The acid releases hydrogen ions into the water. The more hydrogen ions in a solution, the more acidic it becomes. Hydrogen ions in ocean surface waters are now 25 percent higher than in the pre-industrial era, with an additional 75-percent increase projected by 2100.

A carbon-containing mineral, calcium carbonate (CaCO3), is a vital component in the ocean, used by many marine creatures to build protective shells and hard structures. Coral reefs, for example, are the accumulation of calcium carbonate skeletons secreted by small coral polyps.

WHOI : Oceanus : How Long Can the Ocean Slow Global Warming?

This is an easy to understand link focusing on temperature increase
The Effects of Global Warming on the Great Barrier Reef
This is the government report on the immanent danger to the reef
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/corp_site/i...ity_assessment

uncommonman · 07-05-2008, 06:07 AM

Al Gore caught!

There is just too much money in this MMGW thing.

Is it about science? Hardly.

Is it about politics? Somewhat.

Is it about money? You bet!

bluesman · 07-05-2008, 03:45 PM

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That's because the real scientists have lost a lot of credibility on this issue because they're pandering to political issues rather than sticking to the science.

Just in case you've decided to pretend you're not seeing history repeat itself, it's these same climatologists that claimed we were going to breed ourselves into poverty by 2000, the so-called "Club of Rome" and the Population Bombers, who proclaimed the advent of a new ice age in the 70's and went along with the acid rain mythos in the 80's and pushed the lying agenda of "nuclear winter" in the 80's, and have generally proven themselves to be the perfectly willing whores of politicians for the last four decades.

No thinking person has any reason taking what those proven liars have to say at face value.

Sounds like you are demonizing the scientific community.

Seems like demonizing is always involved when it comes to propaganda.

So according to you the scientific community is all sold out and you and the rest of the science police have the right to claim authority.

Sorry, I am not going to recognize vigilante groups or individuals whow do not have scientific credentials want to pretend to be able to debate with real scientists.

If you want to make a scientific claim, The rule is that you have to have it published and available for peer review.

kmiller1610 · 07-05-2008, 05:25 PM

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Sounds like you are demonizing the scientific community

Hey, they have to feed their kids too. They are not demons. All of the following theories can be supported by facts. But if they buy the logic behind #3, they are more likely to have work to do. Since none of these can be proven and they all depend on making certain assumptions, why not assume the one that pays your bills? It's not evil. It's normal.

1) The temperature has been going up and down like... forever. The world is a sturdy place. Nature will adapt. Relax. Sure we may all die in the next ice age. Or if we invest in agribusiness, we could get rich with an extended warming trend. It's all good. Don't worry. Be happy.

2) The climate is controlled by natural variability, something we do not understand. We can't predict next week's weather, much less the next hundred years. There is some evidence that man made Co2 exaggerates warming trends. But we haven't really got it all figured out.. precisely anyway. Don't worry. It's only a small warming trend.

3) Co2 has risen in ppm more than 33% since the beginning of the industrial revolution! 33%!!!! Our delicate eco-system is at the tipping point and the warming trend may mean total disaster if we don't get hold of this perilous trend...Sea levels are rising because water expands as it heats up, and because of melting of land ice. Sea level has already risen somewhere between 10cm to 20cm in the 20th century.Measurements across the globe show that temperatures are higher now than at any time since 1860. The 1990s have been the warmest decade on record.The Government's chief scientist Sir David King has said that in his view global warming is a bigger threat than terrorism. Doubts do remain as a result of lack of understanding about the way the Earth's natural systems work (such as cloud formation and its effects on warming). But doing nothing until the science is certain would take too long and is a very high-risk strategy.

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