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Inkslinger · 07-02-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lakeman

Then there is this kind of tripe that is just ridiculous.

The letters included in the NT were written long before the council of Nicaea. They were copied and distributed long before. We have handwritten original quotes from the NT letters that were written long before, we have fragments of copies that were written long before, we know what was in the letters almost to every jot and tittle. There is no doubt by any serious historian about the content of the letters before the council of Nicaea.

And those letters say that Christ was divine.

Who is "we" and where is your sacred proof?

lakeman · 07-09-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Who is "we" and where is your sacred proof?

I wouldn't deign to call the scientific processes called textual criticism sacred. These are just the best efforts of man to arrive at truth. Nevertheless, the best processes we have to evaluate old literature (not just the bible) overhwelmingly support the arrived at ages of the NT letters and copies.

Here is a somewhat general article about textual criticism:
Textual criticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ausinus · 07-10-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lakeman

I wouldn't deign to call the scientific processes called textual criticism sacred. These are just the best efforts of man to arrive at truth. Nevertheless, the best processes we have to evaluate old literature (not just the bible) overhwelmingly support the arrived at ages of the NT letters and copies.

Here is a somewhat general article about textual criticism:
Textual criticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another dodge post. Answer the question please

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lakeman · 07-10-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ausinus

Another dodge post. Answer the question please

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Here is a quote:

"There are more than 24,000 partial and complete manuscript copies of the New Testament.

These manuscript copies are very ancient and they are available for inspection now.

There are also some 86,000 quotations from the early church fathers and several thousand Lectionaries (church-service books containing Scripture quotations used in the early centuries of Christianity)."

"There are enough quotations from the early church fathers that even if we did not have a single copy of the Bible, scholars could still reconstruct all but 11 verses of the entire New Testament from material written within 150 to 200 years from the time of Christ."

"The New Testament, however, has a fragment within one generation from its original composition, whole books within about 100 years from the time of the autograph [original manuscript], most of the New Testament in less than 200 years, and the entire New Testament within 250 years from the date of its completion."

Manuscript Evidence for the Bible (by Ron Rhodes)

"There are plenty more sites that list the manuscripts by name and date them, list the fragments by catalog number and date them. The writings of the early church fathers have not bees cataloged but they do exist and with some work you could read what they said.

Heel31ok · 07-10-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Think for myself

Interesting. Are you also aware that the word messiah is Aranaic for king, not son of god?

May be true but does not discount Godhood.

Think for myself · 07-10-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Heel31ok

May be true but does not discount Godhood.

Fair enough. Can you link me to the proof of a god?

roobarb · 07-11-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Tsk tsk... poor Z.

There's alot that you will never know, nor wise up enough to even investigate. May I suggest some more reality based teachings?

Zeitgeist - The Movie

Anyways Ink I would by your t-shirt if you want to take on the gig of messiah. I like your mental illness. Much better then mine!

roobarb · 07-11-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Think for myself

Not at all. I showed up this morning and I see more of the same rhetoric posted by others that anyone that does not believe as they do is inherently wrong.

I offer you the respect that you obviously deserve on the topic. I have no quarrel with you.

I appreciate your efforts. I am not sure he can understand people like us. Sort of like you trying to explain the colour red to him but he has never had eye sight. So when you try get him to smell a rose to understand the colour, he pricks himself on its thorn and gets frightened cuz it hurts.

Patience. He will bleed all over himself and learn it that way. Probably not what you intended but it still will get the point across.

I am always intrigued though with the attachment to the need to tell others what must be believed. Imagine telling Dorothy she should not sing unless Oz created the lyrics. Bah.

mjollnir · 07-20-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

LOS ANGELES, April 29 /PRNewswire/ -- A remote mountain tomb and relics from 1st century Jerusalem have been discovered in southwest France.
Among them are a simple pottery drinking cup and a small ointment vase that were said to have been used at the wedding of Jesus and Mary Magdalene over 2000 years ago.
According to the priest who hid them away a century ago, they are sacred relics -- the true Holy Grail -- which symbolized this secret wedding.
They have been analyzed by both the British Museum and Dr Gabriel Barkay of Bar Ilan University, Jerusalem, who said:
"It is possible that artifacts excavated by the Templars on Temple Mount would find a way to Europe. The finds in this chest are really intriguing and it is really something that inflames the imagination."
The tomb contains a mummified corpse lying under a shroud with the red cross of the Knights Templar. Initial DNA testing has revealed it to have a Middle Eastern origin.
These finds were made as the result of the discovery of a cache of papers, hidden by a French priest at the end of the 19th century. They revealed that he had discovered a tomb that had compelled him to break with his Church and Faith. He said:
"The resurrection of Jesus was a trick, it was Mary Magdalene who took his body from his tomb. Later, the body of Jesus was discovered by the Templars and then hidden three times. Not in Jerusalem. The Tomb is here. Parts of the body are safe."
These finds, and the remarkable story that led to them, can be seen in a new documentary film, BLOODLINE which premieres on May 9th at the Village East Cinema in New York City, and then on May 16th at the Laemmle Sunset Five Cinema in Los Angeles before a nationwide release.

Discovery of Tomb & Relics From Marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene to Be Unveiled in New York City May 5th | PR Newswire | Find Articles at BNET
Bloodline - The Movie - Official Website

Some interesting stuff.
I was listening to an interview with the people doing the research & excavations. They say the Vatican is threatening them. (Go figure)

The legends and stories of Rennes L'Chateau have been going on long before Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The DaVinci Code was ever thought of....centuries. However, the Bible thumpers will go on about a book that's thinner than the dictionary telling you it's fact. It's sad that the most "religious" people out there haven't a clue as to what religion really is!!