Wtc 7

william the wierd · 07-02-2008, 10:33 PM

Snagged an interview tonight with someone who saw WTC 7 collapse. He reported that it was deliberately collapsed to prevent further loss of life. That the time of the collapse was leaked to reporters, NYPD screwed up their timeline by an hour so the collapse was reported an hour before it happened, brought the building down in the wrong direction and then they tried to coverup the mess. He had heard but did not know that the major malfunction were FBI and CIA agents trying to destroy records that showed them to be incompetent and/or (inadvertently) complicit in the attacks. Comments?

michaelr · 07-02-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by william the wierd

Snagged an interview tonight with someone who saw WTC 7 collapse. He reported that it was deliberately collapsed to prevent further loss of life. That the time of the collapse was leaked to reporters, NYPD screwed up their timeline by an hour so the collapse was reported an hour before it happened, brought the building down in the wrong direction and then they tried to coverup the mess. He had heard but did not know that the major malfunction were FBI and CIA agents trying to destroy records that showed them to be incompetent and/or (inadvertently) complicit in the attacks. Comments?

I hear the same thing from time to time, but there is a little fact. The building did have fires, true they were short lived but the popped up on a few floors and what is nothing short of, random. Now who in the hell is going to load a building under those circumstances...no fucking one thats who. Add that to the fact that it does take some time, and if that were true why did they just not say it. No sir, this guy is being lied to and what is worse is the fact that he seems to believe it.

Oftencold · 07-02-2008, 11:40 PM

I have very little difficulty in believing that WTC7 collapsed because of structural damage. Modern highly engineered structures are typically designed to be very strong in resisting a predicted set of forces, and weak when exposed to unpredicted ones. The classic example "Galloping Gertie" in 1940.

I read an engineering account somewhere once that dissected WTC7's inner structure and showed haw falling debris striking it in a particular location would force the collapse of the whole. Remember, that even small bits of debris, say a few thousand pounds falling from the upper reaches of the main towers would have been struck with appalling force at the bottom of their courses.

What I find more mystifying, is that in a world rotten with obvious evil, people will spend so much effort trying to locate-- not combat, merely locate and reveal evil that they believe to be hidden by others. It's like beginning a post hurricane cleanup by checking for trash hidden under the porch.

michaelr · 07-02-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold

I have very little difficulty in believing that WTC7 collapsed because of structural damage. Modern highly engineered structures are typically designed to be very strong in resisting a predicted set of forces, and weak when exposed to unpredicted ones. The classic example "Galloping Gertie" in 1940.

I read an engineering account somewhere once that dissected the buildings inner structure and showed haw falling debris striking it in a particular location would force the collapse of the whole.

What I find more mystifying, is that in a world rotten with obvious evil, people will spend so much effort trying to locate-- not combat, merely locate and reveal evil that they believe to be hidden by others. It's like beginning a post hurricane cleanup by checking for trash hidden under the porch.

Well I would point out buildings much closer to the towers and they required demolishing.

william the wierd · 07-02-2008, 11:46 PM

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I hear the same thing from time to time, but there is a little fact. The building did have fires, true they were short lived but the popped up on a few floors and what is nothing short of, random. Now who in the hell is going to load a building under those circumstances...no fucking one thats who. Add that to the fact that it does take some time, and if that were true why did they just not say it. No sir, this guy is being lied to and what is worse is the fact that he seems to believe it.

What I find consistent in eyewitness accounts is their view does not accord with the official story; nobody finds target and launch selection plausible minus external non-Al Qaeda control and support; and I am also finding that the witnesses tend to be in favor of Chinese backing rather than Russian support. That last part confuses me. But WTC 7 being a deliberate collapse with NYPD, FBI, CIA and DEA records being available inside the building and a one hour delay in the announced collapse, that's strange. My interview subject was struck by the extreme variance of timeline between what he saw on TV and what he saw out of his window which overlooked the attack site. AQ had no reason to raid US intelligence files in a building slated for emergency demolition and some one was inside after evacuation interfering with demolition which is not easy to do. No successful major terrorist attack without at least indirect global or regional superpower support has ever been seen anywhere in the last 200 years.

michaelr · 07-02-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by william the wierd

What I find consistent in eyewitness accounts is their view does not accord with the official story; nobody finds target and launch selection plausible minus external non-Al Qaeda control and support; and I am also finding that the witnesses tend to be in favor of Chinese backing rather than Russian support. That last part confuses me. But WTC 7 being a deliberate collapse with NYPD, FBI, CIA and DEA records being available inside the building and a one hour delay in the announced collapse, that's strange. My interview subject was struck by the extreme variance of timeline between what he saw on TV and what he saw out of his window which overlooked the attack site. AQ had no reason to raid US intelligence files in a building slated for emergency demolition and some one was inside after evacuation interfering with demolition which is not easy to do. No successful major terrorist attack without at least indirect global or regional superpower support has ever been seen anywhere in the last 200 years.

Keep working William, you getting close. Look at Pakistan and Israel, along with PNAC. You will find a great connection.

Oftencold · 07-03-2008, 03:26 AM

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Well I would point out buildings much closer to the towers and they required demolishing.

Well let's see. The other buildings had to be demolished. This suggests that they did in fact take some serious damage, albeit they were not struck in a critical manner that caused them to collapse. Apparently, WTC7 was.

I would not expect an even distribution of damage, is such an event. Would you?

Again though, what amazes me, is the willingness of people to believe that huge, dark conspiracies are a common occurrence. I suppose that they do exist in the historical record, but they usually seem to be of short duration and rather rare.

I also am amazed that people espouse the concept of coordinated and sister government conspiracies that can arrange for the heinous murder of three thousand people, the clandestine editing of historical records, news accounts and testimony. That the conspirators can obtain the somewhat rare services or trained building imploders, make the extensive structural preparations needed for a controlled implosion, and do this in secret while the buildings are occupied. But that these same arch-criminals are too inept to track down and silence conspiracy theorists, "truthers," poorly informed bloggers and the authors of amateurist books on the topic.

Finally, once again, I note that real and obvious evils walk the streets of our cities, molest outr children, steal from our elderly and murder our neighbors. Cruelty and ignorance abound, as do petty violence and abuse.

But this sort of evil is apprently too commonplace to attract the wisdom, thinking or action of people who think themselves clever for inventing boogeymen in the shadows.

It is an accepted and slightly dispicable form of cowardice really, to claim to oppose an evil that one could not fight even were it real, and to ignore evils that one might combat in earnest, but not without risk and sacrifice.

william the wierd · 07-03-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold

I have very little difficulty in believing that WTC7 collapsed because of structural damage. Modern highly engineered structures are typically designed to be very strong in resisting a predicted set of forces, and weak when exposed to unpredicted ones. The classic example "Galloping Gertie" in 1940.

I read an engineering account somewhere once that dissected WTC7's inner structure and showed haw falling debris striking it in a particular location would force the collapse of the whole. Remember, that even small bits of debris, say a few thousand pounds falling from the upper reaches of the main towers would have been struck with appalling force at the bottom of their courses.

What I find more mystifying, is that in a world rotten with obvious evil, people will spend so much effort trying to locate-- not combat, merely locate and reveal evil that they believe to be hidden by others. It's like beginning a post hurricane cleanup by checking for trash hidden under the porch.

Quite true but see other post. The demolishing of WTC 7 was announced as occuring an hour before it happened. I do not believe in evil bureaucrats pulling this off, I also don't buy the quick clearance of the case without spoonfed intel given the track record of our law enforcement and intelligence community.

RSXTC · 07-03-2008, 04:59 AM

Name of this person you talked to . You dont think that we will take what you say without proof?

RSXTC · 07-03-2008, 05:00 AM

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Well I would point out buildings much closer to the towers and they required demolishing.

compraring the other buildings to the strucutre of wtc 7 is like comparing an Orange to a watermelon.